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welcome back to fortitude everyone jw wilson Brinton payne this guy in between
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us jacques marquis president ceo of the vanco or the clapping foundation excuse me uh who is about to undertake uh the
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16th version of the clyburn competition uh thank you for being here jacques we
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really appreciate your time thank you guys fun to be here you’re you’re on a new set today trying something new we are we’re
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sponsored by a bank called cap tex bank i don’t know if you’re familiar with cap text but you should be because these guys are they’re on the two local banks
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in town we love them they’re president actually we talk about how he would text you you could text him mill the night
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and he’ll respond most presidents of banks do not do that uh he texted me other day because one of my my loan
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payments was late he just he just sent me a text and he said amazing it’s amazing he really does care what i found
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more interesting is that one of your loan payments is like this is never happening thing no um so um jacques do
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you ever have people uh text you in the middle of the night i just said can you tell me the results of today i had to go to bed a little early
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today you know we’re part of an international network then i’m up sometimes very early
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in the morning and talk very late at night yes with some friends all over yes this is jacques second visit to
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fortitude so you’re kind of on upper echelon now the man from montreal i lifted the applause uh from the van
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clyburn thank you for having us and he informed us to just now that we
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lost a legendary hockey player from montreal gee uh lefleur oh excellent pronunciation it was how was the
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pronunciation on that de la fleur yeah oh is it is no no it doesn’t have it at all every time he speaks it just sounds
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better um 16th uh clyburn competition is upon us
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within within a month june 2nd through june 18th is the competition dates uh
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before we get into that you had an auditions you had a grand audition uh in-person audition for the 30 slots that
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you filled can you walk us through a little bit the in the audition yeah even going before that the 16th 16th um
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competition will be the 60th anniversary the club burn was founded in 1962
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and because we postponed from last year 21 to 22 then suddenly we are at the
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mark of 60 years of the clyburn which is very important yes sir um to answer your
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question we received 388 applications from all over the world
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what does that numbers-wise compare like 100 more than usual then during the pen they make these
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young pianists they practiced a lot oh yeah and we’re talking about 51 countries
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all over the all over the world and the the process to get to 30 then we have a process
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online first then we listen to the 388. we and when i say we i hire people
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way way competent you know pianists and all that we will listen to did your phone
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with the cans on headphones or how do we do it we do it we watch it and listen or yeah it’s online the the young musicians
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they download 40 minutes of music okay on the video they have to be on the on
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the camera the camera hasn’t has to be stable they cannot leave because the problem is imagine if you have two weeks
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to do your recordings then you do first movement you come back you do the second one you come back it’s always good yeah
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but we want to have one shot for the 40 minutes then they cannot
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do montage how do you know if they’re manipulating you can’t you can because because because we we they have to send
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one take yeah and that’s important that’s what our producers here have asked of us
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yeah but you’re so good i’m sure it’s not a problem then never then the 388 we cut this to
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142. and five jury members went through the 388
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and they said okay we would like to keep those 142. i have another
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group of jury five more who came and listened to 142 and they cut to 72.
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okay then half an hour yep and the 72 were invited to fort worth at tcu
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for a week of screening live it’s so important the live thing because online
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you don’t have the i will say the the layers of the sound it’s it’s so you
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know my key is so close to the piano then you don’t have the space but in a hall you have this space that’s very
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important for a pianist then and we want to see how they manage also the stress and live audience it’s
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not the same thing to record that in your studio and to be in the you know on the stage in front of jurors who know
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exactly what you’re doing or not doing average age of the piano player uh it’s between 18 and 31. okay
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uh average was 24.5 i think we had uh it was a very interesting balance of young
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young ones of 18 and and more uh more uh mature pianist who decided to do the
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competition tour a little bit later that’s actually a great point you make because i have a note in here there is an 18 year old south korean a 19 year
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old australian uh competing against uh several that are 30 and 31 years old is there is does the
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age and the experience come into play when these type of age discrepancies are in the competition when you see talent
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you see you hear talent it’s talent and talent can can crawl can come across
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differently but i think it’s it’s fair how many how many
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piano competitors around the world exist oh so many you know how many
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international piano competitions out there more than 500 oh really that’s a
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lot of pianist but the the club burn is one of the top ones in the world and we attract the best of the best
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and and then 300 to 72 72 we heard them live at pepsico and suddenly we chose we
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the five dream members chose the last 30. and the 30 will go
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in june first round 30 will play we cut to 18 second round right we cut
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to 12 for the semi-finals we cut to six to the final round and three big winners it’s very exciting
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let’s talk about these 30 really quickly yep uh they whittled it down to 30. generally speaking who are these people
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who are these competitors coming from all places across the earth all places naturally there are strong countries in
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piano yeah russia is one of them south korea is one of them uh japan one of them we have americans
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naturally we have canadian after that we have many from other countries smallest country yeah yeah smaller what’s the
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smallest one you think hold on i didn’t think about that one either population or geographic
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um like one where you maybe looked at the application no no austria austria being
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you know but the density you know australia has maybe less people we have enough the guy from australia and
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another american are coming from the clobbering junior competition they apply in the first junior and
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second junior and they apply to the big one when they got in the age and
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they they made it to the 388. that’s really fun yeah because when
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we started the junior we we thought also that um it was a good way to attract
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and get people involved with the collaborating in their early age because the juniors for 13 to 17 years yes then
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then i was really happy to see them back and they were really happy to be back oh i can imagine so you have three
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americans six russians five chinese to name the bigger countries china yeah so like you
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said um so these 30 they arrive win in fort worth they will arrive like uh 27
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may 27 28 they all taken care of by host families
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and uh on these first two three four days before the competition on june 2nd
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they do some of them are doing school concerts not school this year because school’s a bit late then they would
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uh do a library they go some concerts in the library around fort worth paying
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gigs no no no no no no they’re practicing most of them are practicing they pay to get here and then you cover all the
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expenses for them on the flight over on the flight over we covered the expense and the host family are so great to
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host them travel them feed them a cheer for them yeah you know this is a unique
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perspective over the the month that the whole family are behind them
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all the time and sometimes is it is it kind of a hard match where it’s like i have a competition tomorrow i need to
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be in bed at 7 00 p.m i don’t like i need you know like it would be hard to stay with the host family and that’s
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sure that these people have to rest they’ve got a different schedule than most do with the competition coming up
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the problem with not them to go to sleep the problem will will be to to stop them practicing yeah at 12 and one in the
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clock in the morning and yeah yeah it’s uh it’s a constant
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music uh piano playing at house that would be a great documentary film and
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somebody just like i’m going crazy with the piano you know something like that tell tell us what the clyburn does as regards to
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the pianos that these host families will be we have a a great agreement with stan wayne’s son and you know
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a competition is all about giving the same conditions the same winning conditions to everybody yeah then think
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that they go to 30 odds families and some of them as have a grand piano and the other one has
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a upright and the other one there’s a keyboard whatever then it’s not the same condition
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then for many years now the collaboration has this agreement with strainway that 30 pianos are coming from
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steinway and we we provide the third the host families with 30
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brand new strandways that they have at their house for the entire we don’t give them the
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piano brand they take grandma’s piano put it put it out back and let’s volunteer
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uh for a host we then the piano is right there and they practice on the great piano you know and and that’s one of the
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unique thing of the collaboration i just was thinking about it could be so good promotional if you had a winner if it
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was back in the day when keyboard you know i won the van club and i practiced on a casio cs 80 in brinton payne’s
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house you know that would be a bit terrible actually and not possible yes it would and these host families
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these are all volunteers there’s there’s hundreds of more volunteers that you guys utilize for this for the duration
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of this competition it’s what one of the great things about the clyburn competition is that the volunteers and
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the hosts all these things are there’s so many people playing a role in this so many people how many people would you say
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it’s about 800 700 800 volunteers for the cleburne but the carbon was was was built
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by volunteers you know in 1962 1966 69 like volunteers were a big big part it’s
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it’s like in the last 20 25 years that suddenly there was like an executive director and
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a little bit of more staff and all that and now we have a structure that that that embrace both
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you know but uh the volunteers are a great it makes such a difference and also you have the ownership of the city
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and the people to the climber then you know you know my favorite story the
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first day first second day i was in fort worth going to the starbuck and asked
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for coffee and after two words of me they said you’re not from here or you yeah and i said no no then what do you
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do what starbucks was it that’s probably why and they say what what do you do i said
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oh i work i work for the clobbering and they said oh my mom is a volunteer you don’t you don’t have that in in this
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ownership of a a fantastic cultural event in the world like like
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this well and think how much culture comes in with each visiting the fact that it is in that environment
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where there’s a host and visitor you think about like just dinner conversation they’re learning about a culture that is completely different
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from theirs that is being brought right into theirs how did you start playing piano what is it like in your country that kind of thing i mean it’s a pretty
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that’s cool you know it’s fantastic and and on the reverse we bring the eyes of the world
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here to look at what’s happening in fort worth so speaking of can you tell us about that like what
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what that list of events is going to look like as far as the competition goes and some of the things that the the
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important thing of the uh of the competition by itself the competition is is 18 days and we have like
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on we have three dark days and we have 15 days of concerts but
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concerts is one thing but we try also to get the people involved not everybody can can go to a concert and and listen
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to 45 music of classical music but then we we do festival events
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and also we do a big big webcast that is
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a stream all over the world and we expect this year and to give you an idea of proportion 10 million views over
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three weeks in 2017 but we’re in um 151 countries
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and 8 500 cities that was were following the webcast yeah and then this year will
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be more than that and uh and this is what i i say to the mayor change town
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cow town for piano town for three weeks or months because the eyes of the world are following what’s happening here
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through the collaboration one one small little logo jacques that’s all we ask on the webcast of those 10 million viewers
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just just a little small you know you know it would not i don’t want the loan of gwu to be late again right right
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let’s talk let’s talk about these 30 real quick yeah the clyburn put out a um uh something on social media a few a few
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months or two ago about the ukraine situation the russian the war that all that terribleness over there there are
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russian competitors and there’s one ukrainian competitor which i just was talking to you before this we started
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the show must reasonably originally must be a fan favorite because he’s coming from ukraine this guy dimitro um
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choney he’s he’s the singular uh competitor from ukraine but the clyburn the neat
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thing you guys did which you put out a statement would you please address that real quick is but you’re not it’s not about the the situation this is about
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artists but but you know it’s funny because if you go to the olympics you’re
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linked with your flag you win and you this is a win from for canada or for the
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us in the case of a piano competition specifically
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you win the clyburn you’re a citizen of the world the next day the flag was never
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impactful you know the nationality because this is not what they are
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we are artists they are artists of the world then when you look at that you say okay
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who is the best artist that we have now then it can be him it can be others and
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i’m giving my faith to the fantastic jury that we have to find the best musician there
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that will after that promote the value of international friendship and understanding
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it’s a great pc answer thank you yeah how many jurors within the actual competition nine jurors
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how many keep their eyes closed during the performance how much is the visual versus audio uh some of them
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some of them the average eyes closed i will say one or two are closing their eyes and my job is to really check on
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them that they’re not but they don’t yeah and and i’m always impressed by how
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they are committed they these jurors are pianists they are a
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professional pianist and they’ve been doing that for all their lives it’s why i choose them to be there
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but mostly their attitude that’s that’s what’s interesting for me is they’re
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there to to be to be there for the young pianist
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they they’re not there to cut their truth yeah and throat and they they’re there really to they want them to do
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well yeah and they have this perspective of saying okay i will never play this piece like this
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but i can buy this proposal because it’s unique and it’s his own voice and when
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the jury can think like this and to be really uh extremely open-minded about the music
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i like him for her already what does some what for those who don’t know piano music
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that well what might an artist do to make it their own would they slow down the tempo in a certain part would they
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speed up would they play stronger or all over the board it’s it’s it’s all
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over and an artist will will find a way to do a
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piece and to [Music] you have to respect the format and
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someone yesterday was talking about the basketball game then everybody knows how basketball the format is well
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established but that doesn’t mean that you put the ball yeah the same way every time you know
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and it’s the format then the piano playing you have composer that you have more flexibility with and some others
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less right and then and an artist will will find a way to
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through the phrasing the voicing the the the way that he he wants to do
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more more sound less sound the quality of the sound the quality of the projection
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how he works with the hall and and to come back to this special edition this
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year we are going back after 60 years at tcu you know that the the cleveland was born
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at tcu in 1962 at atlanta that’s correct and in 2001
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bass hall was there then we moved all our things and bass off
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and now tcu has a new concert hall it’s the vancouver concert
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hall at tcu a 700 seats hall it’s super
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there’s acoustically acoustic is beautiful smaller than a pin drop
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that’s how acoustically it’s so great and and it’s going to be interesting for
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for my jury member also to listen to the two first round will be at tcu it’s
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piano recital then then you you have to occupy the space
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if you play too loud you will hear it too soft same thing then suddenly
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we’ll move to bass hall which is the 2000 seats all and the good pianist will also manage
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the sound to get to the bottom so you’re adjusting and that’s interesting also for the jury as an
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information then then the the hall will be really interesting for the music but will be really interesting also for
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the jury to see how they manage this because this is this is the their
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job they will be touring with the club and after they win the collaboration and they will change piano all the time they
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will change all of the time how can they adapt and that’s part of their job and their talent that’s fascinating so the
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first two rounds are at vancleburn hall yep the second third and the final are at bass hall exactly
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yeah so i’m gonna i’m gonna go into a little departure here and i’m going to i’m
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going to submit are you sure you want to do that four people um and you tell me who would win the van
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cliburn elton john alicia keys jerry lee lewis or liberace who who
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might be the next winner of the 60th they are they are good liberace was a
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very good pianist and and you know when you look at videos and you look at the
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jewels that he had there and and the speed and the stability of what he’s playing
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that needs talent man yes it does i will i will i will say
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elton john is a fantastic musician and so are the others
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did you steer that way because of the fashion i mean was there just a little part of you that that just no i don’t
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care about the fact i’m talking piano thing you know when i see him doing this it’s really good because elton would
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have competed with liberace on fashion those two guys yeah yeah that’s true true maybe it’s more your stuff than
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mine that was a good question well thank you what type of music will we be hearing at the competition this year and actually
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this is a classical music competition then and and every year and the club bring brings like i said they brings the
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best of the best and you have to think that you have four rounds but
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if you do and i’ll be very texan now and if you you have to refurbish your
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ammunition and if you take your big cannons at the beginning you may not have nothing
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at the middle of the then you have to manage well to have
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a very balanced programming and also having something that
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stands out now does that come from a coach saying that do they have coaching teachers
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hold hold the line like this one give it to you and then they’ll come and
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say jacques i need you leave nothing give it all on the floor like just did
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they do that they you know at the level they are yeah we’re talking here about the best of the best in their fields at
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the level they are they have a lot of of experience and they’ve been playing a lot
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they when you finish the cleburne the one the six will finish the clyburn
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will have played four hours and a half of music that’s a lot of music you know
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everything naturally by heart this is not the problem but to really do it but
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the way we can see after the semi-final around the one who can sustain
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the level of stress and the level of playing then but i i look at the programming
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it’s pretty impressive he mentioned a second ago what the jurors what what do you think what does impress
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presses a juror most because they’ve heard these pieces hundreds of times in their life what what stands out to a
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juror is it the the level of play the stead steadiness you just mentioned i i think it’s going to be the the the
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proposal the unique voice you know this is what you’re looking for you know then if someone comes and play
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for instance all sharpness program because that can be the club is very open
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we we we have an open repertoire then they can play whatever they want all the time yeah if someone decides to play
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shopping shopping and shopping shopper you have to play really really really well to do this yeah naturally will play
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they will show the jury different aspects of their play i can play defense i can play offense
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i can be i can be at on on on you know and that’s that’s the main same thing
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for for a musician he has to show different facets of his playing what
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i’ve noticed when you played here before that’s the way you guys play it no don’t
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say you guys and me this is not the same but you’re pretty good yourself yes
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the strength the ability to play that loud but that gently it’s a it’s a weird
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thing it’s there must be an immense finger strength are there any exercises you see a professional like a competitor
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you know they practice four five six seven eight hours per day
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if you do this you need first to be and if you play golf
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you know if you begin to squeeze your your your your golf club too much and
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then and you swing at one point you know the the third the second round the next day
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will be like you should be so stiff imagine that you practice piano six hours per day every day then you have to
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have a very very smooth and and easy technique
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at the same time you develop like ex um accuracy like yeah crazy the volume
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levels are incredible though it’s all about the technique and even on the softest parts right it’s just it’s kind
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of like the whole spectrum coming together at once it’s amazing it’s like it’s like once again golf look at the
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really good golfer swinging and it doesn’t seem to swing hard and the ball goes oh yeah the same thing for the
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pianist you can use a hockey reference if you’d like i could i could but you know golf makes more sense for sure
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um what were the prizes this year for the top three the top three the first prize winner is 100 000 the second is 50
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the third is 25 000. but this is not important this is money and it’s fun it’s fun for
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them they can think of buying a piano or you know investing in stuff so but
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what we do the club burn we we uh book concerts for the three
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winners and this is priceless because we open doors yeah then we have
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a lot of engagements and they go on tour and we manage them for three years and
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this is also priceless and we do their their marketing uh
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bio and pictures and website and recordings and we we teach them what to say on facebook at
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what not to post on facebook yeah and we we we do more and more for them for three years and
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and since we opened the door i always say we open the door the first time you’re responsible for the second one
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well on that do you have any that are like rock stars who can get out there make the performance extraordinary all
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buttoned up all together and then backstage they just wrecked the dressing room you know with just i mean have you
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had i would not say wreck the dresser personalities we have personalities and and there’s and this is this is the fun
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part you know they have their own unique personalities because you don’t get there by by doing
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everything by the book and and that’s what when you’re looking to come back to your question the jury
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is looking to be like us to be like overwhelmed by someone yeah you know
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yeah and it’s not very the jury has kind of the same
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look at the young pianist on the stage than the audience has which is like
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wow that was so much fun would i like to see him or hear him again
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the next day nice does part of that get to know them in behind the scenes kind of thing is there
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something there’s no there’s no straight piano there’s no discussion with the jury and the okay the the competitors
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during the course i know where they’re staying so we’ll talk about that later yeah yeah but there’s none oh look jw is
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here for dinner tonight so jacques uh couple in in the news recently lost a few uh really
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significant people in the classical music world piano music specifically hadoop lupu the 1966 gold medalist for
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the van clyburn that was the second competition he he passed recently uh joseph kalkstein the legendary pianist
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and clyburn jury member in the 0509 13 and 17 competitions
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uh these are two monsters in in in your world and mike can you speak to them a little bit uh you see i knew i knew
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better because we it wasn’t the jury when i came here the first uh audition fantastic musician
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fantastic chamber musician fantastic man also very interesting to discuss about you know hey you see
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should we do as a competition uh impose some repertoire should we do a chamber music should we not do this
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and love this discussing with him and all that that was we were so sad for him
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hadoo was our star for many many years as the
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clubber and interesting interesting fellow he came he played with us uh in
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the concert series that we produce every year but when he won the clyburn in 66
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the people said okay we we’re going to book for you some concerts and he said no
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no i’m going back to moscow i have to practice
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he was a very intense he was not there for the media he was there for the art
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and he went dark for two three years practicing because he felt that his his
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art was not at the level he wanted to share yet right and suddenly you saw him
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like coming up coming up in the world he was one of the most interesting sensitive artist and and his
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loss is terrible does the climate service kind of a reunion for all that do the guys old guys come back kind of
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we uh what we like to do is to uh bring them back for different functions for
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playing sometimes depending but uh the first winner 1962 is votapec and half is coming is my jury
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chairman for the next amateur competition in october then olga kern was the 2001 winner and
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recently just played at tcu the opening concert then um then no you we uh we
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like to bring them back for a different yeah project yeah but i think it’s when i when i say ralph the volta pick i know
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it doesn’t sound so nice it’s fantastic when he says r was silent and then i heard a lot of
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alf in there but i don’t know where the r was he was so far back in the throat jock it’s just unbelievable
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all right so you this it takes years and years of planning and organization to get up to the con contest which is upon
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us uh do you ever get nervous do you ever it’s because you’ve done the hard work’s done
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i think and you’re on your side now that guys just come to play they’re here to play are you nervous now do you feel
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like everything’s been done or when do you get to breathe a little bit no we first we have a fantastic team the club
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is extremely uh well represented on the amswitzer side and we
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have a fantastic team and the volunteers also is a big part of
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make the candidate in the best mood to play well
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you know one of the things i changed when i came here is to begin on time at the collaboration like two o’clock
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if it’s two o’clock it’s two o’clock but the dog was barking all night i couldn’t get no no no the candy is never a
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problem it’s the donors it’s the people buying tickets being late at the concert is the
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jury members who were talking too much in the jury room and there’s no one don’t you know they were
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late i said no no this is not going to happen because these young kids have been practicing all their life yeah
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coming to the clyburn is an experience of a lifetime the opportunity of winning the clyburn
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can change your life yes will not make them wait back
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stage seven minutes because mr wilson is a bit late and he’s a big
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sponsor yeah no we will not do that we will right mr wilson will wait
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well it’s out the door and you come after yes because once you start there’s no this isn’t like your average rock
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concert where you can walk down the aisles uh in between no no you don’t if you’re out there listening don’t be the
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reason your competitor shows up late because there’s a lot riding on this well or the big donor or whatever yeah
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it’s the time to be on we’re there for them never forget that we’re there for them
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and this is their place to shine yes sir and that’s what we do then to answer your question i’m excited always to do
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competition it’s always fun we have a lot to do all the time from seven in the morning to midnight four months we’re
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all in all all the staff so your tennis game and your your happy
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game is suffering right now yeah yeah i think this came in my goal cooking you said you like to cook right i do but
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yeah that’s this is not happening now well we’d like to end this you since you’ve been on here once we’ve already
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asked you the best day so oh yeah well do you mind if i get a few last questions oh yeah sorry we’re bumping up against the clock the thing
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in front of you is called a script we usually stick to it but sundance square is going to simulcast
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the event yeah yeah we’re going to summon kazzy event we bring a big a big screen for the two last concert right
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and i like it a lot we did that in 17 and the because the two last the the four
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last concert which if you want to come to the clyburn you don’t have to miss those would be fantastic the four last
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concerts the finals the two last um we decided to put a
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screen because basalt is full the tickets will be sold by then
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and it was a way to say thank you to fort worth thank you to the volunteers
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and thank you for everybody to welcome this fantastic competition here once every
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four years no now it’s five but whatever and uh what what we didn’t realize is the plaza
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came full of people families and then and when they were
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playing the plaza was completely silenced yeah people were listening to the music
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and at the end wow that’s cool that was so fun yeah how can people
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find find this and pay be part of this competition who want to be part of it clyburn.org you have everything you can
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you can you can buy tickets you can see donation you can sponsor you can
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clubright.org is the place to go okay all right if you see the two of us there at the competition and our eyes are
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closed it’s not because we’re sleeping yeah i have a stick for those you do okay good i just drive a loud car as
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loud as i can around the plaza during the highlights of the we know people around too then yeah i turn up the bass
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really loud okay so i’m going to ask you something different if you weren’t working this job because
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clearly you’re a good match for it or a great match some might argue what do you think you’d be doing
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oh when i was young i was in science then i was pretty much entering engineering school until i decided to go
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in music and my parents were like what yeah yeah
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but then i decided to go to go in music because it was more difficult yeah to
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learn the piano yeah so there’s a lot of engineering probably in music right there’s a lot of there’s a lot of math
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in finance you know non-profit yeah always you have to know how to count yeah and i like math too
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who inspires you jacques who are some of your inspirational people in your life or mentors mentors i will say my former
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chairman of the board in montreal was a singer and a bass who sang all his life at covent
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garden the big big opera house in london
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he was he passed away two years ago and he was 91 i think then then when i was working
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with him he was like 70 75. huge career
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sang with pavarotti with maria kalas with name it
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he was there for 25 years 30 years he was chairman of the board of my organization
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and if i was calling him for something joseph you should call
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jw because i would like him to sponsor us yeah joseph was taking the phone calling gw
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and he was calling me back said done deal jw will support and joseph
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joseph can i see you at three o’clock at five to three was there his note all prepared
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and always on and he was a good golfer and a hockey lover then i said
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this man was the most cl the closest to what i like and because you can do a lot
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of good things in a good way and he was such a gentleman that’s awesome it sounds a lot like he would be a good
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climber and competitor no doubt he was he was a fantastic artist well jacques we wish you luck we’re going to be there
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we’re very excited the city is ready for this finally one year removed from the the kobit stuff best of luck for the
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competition we can’t wait to see what happens thank you appreciate you thanks for being here thank you captain
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thank you thank you [Music]