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Jake White & John Henry – Hosts: Signal 51 Chronicles

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uh
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welcome back to fortitude everyone
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brinton payne jw wilson welcome to the
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captex bank studio
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we are fortitude a studio for the ages
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studio for the ages indeed one still
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under construction what does that mean
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even i don’t know
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enlighten us please no idea okay you’ve
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been watching that johnny depp trial i
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have not
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it is
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pure
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bliss it is the funniest thing i’ve ever
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seen in my life and a friend of mine and
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i were talking about it was like
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because we are going to talk about crime
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and they’re in a court i don’t know if
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it’s a court crime or whatever but it’s
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probably civil court but uh court of
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crime they don’t even have that criminal
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court um
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you know it’s like what is the what’s
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the point in all the media coverage of
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this trial
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is there some type of like public
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um
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spectacle yeah i mean it’s just it’s for
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advertising i guess you know okay back
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to it are you sure yep whenever you’re
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ready sir already so today bp
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these two cats uh are gonna uh
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introduce something new to the to the
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rockstar media house but before we get
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into that we’re going to introduce each
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of them individually okay to my left
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this guy named john henry john henry is
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the executive editor for fort worth inc
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and he’s a writer for texas magazine did
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i get that right fourth magazine yeah
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magazine all right the applause yeah
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there it is of course you’re receiving
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absolutely so you’ve done a lot of
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really cool stuff in your in your uh
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literary career uh tell us a little
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about yourself john before we get into
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why you two are hanging out with us
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today well i am a
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footwork native born and bred down at
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harris hospital which probably everybody
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else who’s ever been born in fort worth
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texas is
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uh there were probably some home births
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at some point i don’t think everyone
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bathtubs and stuff yeah let’s get you
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down henry keep going
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anyway uh
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what’s school here what’s school at
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texas tech i know that’s probably not
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the best thing for it’s quite okay yeah
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that’s good yes that’s good
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from high school how it’s nolan catholic
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very good
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yeah basketball team i was on a
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basketball team did they have a good one
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then
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yes yes
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back to back uh state runner-ups
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runners-up i remember around that era
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that’s what nolan was really good um
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they hadn’t really hit the football i
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don’t think i mean was did you play no
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one
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from tvs
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did you play them we did in high school
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we did were they good yes okay i didn’t
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know if they had like
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risen as much i do remember the
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basketball in my in my four years uh we
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won four games
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i wouldn’t call that success though out
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of uh how many they played 10 they
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played 10 every year
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oh yeah 10 i think so that’s not a very
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so john so john henry i must digress a
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little bit real quick when so you were
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growing up in fort worth nolan high
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school when did writing become something
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you were interested in
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uh
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probably when i was in college i was a
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history major and did a ton of writing
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okay
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and uh discovered i really
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really loved it
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and uh so i decided you know i’m gonna
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try to do this newspaper career when i
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got out of school
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which is what i did i started i was kind
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of an editor at star telegram and
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editor and writer and then i
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did more editing than i did more writing
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and then when
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i left there the first time
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i was the sunday editor
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in sports okay
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and then uh i went back to wright
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i was
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rehired to cover the city of fort worth
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for the star telegram and did that for a
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couple of years
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uh and then uh
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went about went on my own again as a
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freelancer and contractor
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um
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simply because i had more freedom to do
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uh
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projects
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uh and then uh the great hal brown
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called me up and uh asked me about this
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job with fourth inc which i’ve been
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there since uh last fall okay what were
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the like some of those freelance
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projects you covered in the city of fort
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worth and then what other stuff would
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you kind of
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you shoot uh my my favorite project is
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uh was religion
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um well the what was a religion project
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it was uh
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pope benedict
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the pope you might be familiar with at
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some point we’ve heard of him yes yes
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uh
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he created this uh he’s coming up next
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john
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let’s stay on task getting up the stairs
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uh his vehicle he’s got the
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double decker cool will you make sure
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the pope has a water yes and that his
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vehicle is charged or gassed up but
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anyway uh there was a chism within the
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episcopalian anglican church and he
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created this pathway
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for anglican church anglian churches to
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come into the catholic church
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now the significance of that is that
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you know you’re kind of yawning right
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now i can tell but no i’m you’re using
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these words like like
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only a writer could interject that at
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the perfect moment but the significance
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of this is that it was the most
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comprehensive step to reunification
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since martin luther
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in
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15
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whatever that was 15 49 or 94 or
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whatever 400 something years yeah
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so uh
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there was this whole process and of
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course the the uh the center of this
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was in fort worth texas
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because of
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uh of uh
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icar
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bishop bikers
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split
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um
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here for texas and so it was
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ground zero was right here so that’s why
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we got to do it
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oh that’s great so what did it get
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published in
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uh the catholic news service in dc
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uh
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the uh north texas catholic here yeah
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are you catholic i am yeah so it was
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was it hard to be unbiased in it no
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no i’ve never had that problem yeah
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people think they know who i am
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politically but it’s like you know
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listen the door opens and the door
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closes
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yeah you’re professional ultimately
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you’re not a
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republican or democrat i can’t say that
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for everybody but yep right yeah john
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henry what’s the life like of a person
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in your in your profession what are you
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are you always on in on the hunt for
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something to write about is it does this
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come to you what’s always sniffing for a
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story yeah always got her always got a
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nose out a lot of people think that
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happens at the bar and sometimes it does
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but
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but uh no always looking for a good
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story storytellers storytelling is
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ultimately what the job is i’m guessing
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that’s what led you to the gentleman to
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your left exactly so what’s sniffing
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around a bar yes that that among other
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things yes correct
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welcome to show your your partner your
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new partner mr uh retired sergeant jake
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white of the fourth police department
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welcome jake thank you you’ve been on
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the show before which who had lots of
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success with your show it was
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fascinating some of the stuff you’ve
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dealt with in your in your life
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tell us a little bit about that and then
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how the two of you guys found each other
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i’m following up the pope story so this
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is going to pale in comparison you
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catholic too no i’m not
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thanks for asking now i was going to see
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if there’s a biased article it’s going
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to just no good
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no so i retired in uh earlier this year
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beginning of 2022. you don’t seem old
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enough to be retiring jake yeah i left a
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little early it was just time to go
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right ready ready to move on
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to like how old were you this rookie cop
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uh
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2022. yeah yeah
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that’s a young man grew up doing it i
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guess
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i don’t know that i really grew up but
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yeah i was young when i started yes
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so and you needed the money
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and i needed the money that’s correct i
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think i went down the wrong road but
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whatever
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uh so yeah john and i uh
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got together and we’re going to announce
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our little project coming up how did you
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guys meet first so
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literally at the bar
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that’s not a joke did did he buy you a
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drink did you buy a drink i say
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it was over a shot of crystal light okay
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the drink crystal meth the crystal light
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okay the flavor enhancer if you will
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okay you didn’t turn to your wife and
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say i believe that’s the guy who wrote
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that piece on the pope and the fort
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worth
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was he on the bar talking about the pope
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story and how everybody should be
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reading this yeah he has legend a
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legendary joke we’re not going to get
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into it here but he does have a
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legendary joke
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but no he wasn’t it was over a shot of
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crystal light to
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flavor my
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beverage if you will and okay
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so one thing led to another
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we start talking and we start talking
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about this crime stuff and come up with
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an idea and here we are the idea
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signal 51 chronicles yep what is signal
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51 chronicles so signal 51 chronicles is
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a true crime podcast about crimes in and
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around fort worth outstanding
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there it is that’s a little late but
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better late than never
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thank you for that edition brinton yes
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you’re welcome our lives are now richer
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did were we already doing i mean not
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like
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i i knew you at the time when you guys
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had first met had we already been doing
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ours or you guys it was like before then
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and then you
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no i think you guys had already started
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yeah yeah and then i because i know that
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you had mentioned that before had you
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ever had an intro did you ever write
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crime stories i’ve criminal courts i’ve
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done criminal courts okay yeah not um
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crime court i think i was believed was
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without court of crime i believe
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yeah a court of crime court of crime
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yeah
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uh so you did i did some court of crime
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yes yes and um did you enjoy that kind
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of writing because a lot of your stuff
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is it is based on
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just one individual it seems like or
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you know generally and so
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um
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that was something that you’d like i
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loved it i loved it uh clearly audiences
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love it i think you know i think so too
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and uh
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you know it’s kind of in addition to the
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examination of the crime itself there’s
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also the examination of the human
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condition and what leads
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perpetrators to
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to get in the position where they are to
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commit these crimes yep yeah like
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there’s a lesson
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for society as a whole yeah so and yeah
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and you probably got a little bit of
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that uh life lesson going and coming
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from your background right yeah yeah
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yeah definitely and i think that’s one
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of the cool things about what we’re
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doing is getting
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you know getting john’s perspective on
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things right and being able to tell that
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story i mean it’s easy to get up and
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talk about you know whatever crime
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whatever story you want to
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but composing it
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you know it’s interesting seeing his
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take on it and how it’s composed and
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you know it all you know it looks
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different on paper if you will like when
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we write things out right
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but when you tell it i mean
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they’re great yeah brinton’s right there
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is a huge thirst in the world for crime
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podcast in general and now you guys are
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doing one that’s fort worth centered for
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metroplex centered any of the crimes you
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know you’re talking about involved you
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ever are you yeah so we’ve got uh we’ve
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got the first three uh we obviously got
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the first one done
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uh one of the ones that we’re going to
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do is a case that i worked um
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and you know with it being a true crime
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podcast a lot of times people think it’s
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just a murder podcast right well that’s
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not what this one’s going to be
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obviously there are going to be some
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that involve murders but we’ve also got
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ones that involve um
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drug conspiracies overdose deaths things
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like that
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serial criminals if you will
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interns on the tcu campus that might
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have gotten picked up for
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some misdemeanor nothing like that no
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nothing okay
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um
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what is the first the first one you
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mentioned can we tell we talk we tell
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the the story or tell the uh the crime
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that was committed or at least the story
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so i think the
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overall it’s going to be a
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domestic related
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it’s a it’s about a uh a high-profile
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individual in fort worth who takes on a
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younger paramour and it ends in uh
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tragedy okay
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will we get everything from beginning to
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finish how it ends how the crime was
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ultimately saw the whole the whole nine
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yards you will yeah now we’ll we’ll
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we’re going to step into the
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interrogation room on this on this
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particular case and uh
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and uh see the detective wear this guy
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down
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uh the perpetrator the alleged
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perpetrator
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and uh i think i think uh you and the
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the audience at large will be fascinated
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by it i can’t wait to hear it
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what’s been kind of the biggest thing
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that you guys have discovered about
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either working together and doing this
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or
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let me back up let me ask a question
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first what was the intent of getting
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together and doing this um like there’s
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got to be something more than just
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retelling a story of crime like is there
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something uh that kind of you all said
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we could do it and we could do it
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differently by
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i think there was i think there’s two
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things that we looked at one we want to
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tell the stories that aren’t always told
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here
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right some so many of the crimes that we
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discussed
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they may have been a quick you know
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blurb in the newspaper on the news or
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something like that but those are the
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ones that we’re going to dive into the
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first point the second point we’re also
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highlighting the fact
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and we want to incorporate resources
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involved in it because ultimately
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you know when you look at when you look
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at a criminal act criminal behavior
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whether it be through a drug addiction
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or some kind of you know domestic
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related domestic violence related case
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something like that there are resources
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available and we also want to have we we
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want to
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make that avenue available to people and
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make them recognize that they’re likely
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not the only one in that position right
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so that’s
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you know i think ultimately those were
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the two primary goals that we looked at
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was you know just simply
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you know giving back in a different way
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you know whether you know if that’s
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offering resources or at least linking
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people up with resources will you be
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sharing your sergeant hat thoughts on
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these crimes and how you one might see
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them through the lens of a police
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sergeant or is are you just strictly
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being a storyteller if that’s a no so
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that that’s a that’s an interesting
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question you bring up because when we
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look at these it’s difficult you know
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after 22 years
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that’s really the only hat i have when
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it comes to crime right yeah so it’s a
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different you know i don’t want to say
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that you know we try to be neutral
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clearly but you know i mean i’m going
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i’m going to look at it through the cop
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lens there’s no doubt about it and
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that’s one of the things that we talk
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about and one of the things that we
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discuss and kind of
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you know um
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frame it in in the sense that
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you know this is why the detectives are
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taking this step or this is you know
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potentially why this happened or how the
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police responded et cetera
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and i think that really does
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brinton you ask what sets it apart i
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think that’s really one of the things
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that sets it apart is
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we have here an officer of
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you know more than 20 years
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who has a base of knowledge through
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training and experience
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and he’s able to share that perspective
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on these crimes through that base of
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knowledge
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and of course it’ll be even more
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fascinating when we get into the cases
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that he’s that he’s worked
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to to step to step in those shoes as an
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officer well and if you think about i
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mean jake worked in the drug you know
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arena and i had heard this and you
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always hear this many times from police
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is that
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i mean drugs run it you know i mean it’s
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kind of the genesis for almost all crime
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that i mean that there there’s a
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component that it made absolutely i mean
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i think you know i i don’t want to
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attach a percentage to it in regards to
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you know x number percent of crimes
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caused by it but it’s it’s huge it’s
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significant
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um you know and it goes to show that
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what we’re doing now society doesn’t
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work all right there’s got to be a
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different solution i would suspect
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um what that is i don’t know i don’t
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know that i’d be sitting here if i did
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have the answer to that but yeah i mean
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100 that’s the cause of you know when
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you look at
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the murder rate in fort worth right now
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through the roof high higher than we’ve
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seen it in the last 30 years
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i would suspect and what some of the
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things that i know
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that the vast majority of them
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are drug deal’s gone wrong or there’s
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some kind of nexus to that drug world or
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gang world which they’re so closely
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uh
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intertwined it’s hard to separate so
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yeah john henry why do you think people
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are so ravenous about crime and wanting
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to know like you’ve heard of the dirty
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john which became a podcast it became a
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series and then dr death the guy in
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dallas that was performing fraudulent
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surgeries on people multiple people and
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that now that’s a big deal
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why are people so ravenous about pot
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crime podcasts i think it’s because
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we relate
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to in some way we relate to these cases
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um just because we’re all here we’re all
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part of this community we call earth we
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call fort worth
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um
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and
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and we’re we all have these human
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conditions and i think we a lot of us
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look at these cases and go you know
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there but by the grace of god go i you
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know this i could have either run into
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this person or i could be the
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perpetrator if something
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doesn’t go right right
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i guess maybe from listening to you over
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a year the years were all you know just
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the wrong circumstances from being
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involved in something unfortunately
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right you know god forbid that happens
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any of us but if you’re in the wrong
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place the right time it does it doesn’t
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matter if you’re doing the right thing
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you just might be unlucky and then
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unfortunately these things happen from
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every everyday perspective exactly yeah
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well from what you guys do in this first
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one do you think we’re as a society
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closer to those moments than we’ve ever
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been before and that’s part of the
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fascination is that um
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that
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we’re we’re kind of gravitating towards
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that uh
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a little bit well i don’t i don’t know
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but i i know that there’s also this
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human instinct to fight or flight and so
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we put ourselves we put ourselves in the
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middle of these stories and
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we
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almost have to make a decision while
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we’re watching or listening this
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fight or flight you know yeah you come
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it’s very instinctive you know that came
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up um
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when we’ve talked about this first one
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and stuff is just
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it’s crazy how many decisions you make
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when you’re looking at that phone on
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nobody is saying you need to listen to
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this right like no one is
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you know got i hate to use this analogy
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but gun to your head saying you’ve got
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to listen there’s that decision to delve
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deeper and and do that and i don’t think
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anyone is really measuring those
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decisions you know in in in what we’re
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doing with that i mean it’s a very
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curious thing and where i think
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everyone’s very becomes more and more
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curious but i also think that some of
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the subjects that we’re exploring are
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they’re dark you know and uh they’re
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they’re very heavy uh and have you guys
19:24
thought about
19:26
obviously you’re pretty callous towards
19:27
it but i don’t know about you john let
19:29
me managing some of that because you’re
19:31
gonna see parts of humanity that maybe
19:33
aren’t aren’t the prettiest and i know i
19:35
i will say i think there was i saw two
19:38
interesting things happen on this first
19:39
one that we did there’s going to be a
19:41
part of it uh that’s graphic
19:44
and getting to see your reaction and
19:46
your reaction john and i
19:49
uh
19:50
did you tell them about mine i asked you
19:51
not to tell him about mine no i didn’t
19:53
i’m going i’m about to tell him about
19:55
yourself okay i’ll tell everybody about
19:57
it yeah so
19:59
watching watching john’s reaction
20:01
because we’re we’re going through this
20:03
case at the same time together and this
20:05
graphic part yeah
20:07
i mean
20:08
yeah i think it’s safe to say we both
20:10
kind of froze
20:12
whoa this is way
20:14
deeper way darker than what we were
20:17
prepared for we’re clicking a file on a
20:19
computer right
20:20
we don’t know what’s going to come up in
20:22
terms of audio
20:24
and
20:25
i mean it’s dark
20:27
and then
20:28
playing it for you i forced brinton in
20:31
his front yard i’m like you got to hear
20:33
this man i was like you have to hear
20:35
this and he’s like
20:36
i don’t know is it bad and i was like oh
20:38
yeah yeah did he faint
20:41
he made it no he didn’t faint because he
20:43
lasted
20:44
what five seconds into the audio
20:47
and that was it you have to understand
20:49
where i come from my friday nights exist
20:51
where my wife is watching like how to
20:53
kill your husband on 2020 or dateline
20:56
and it’s like
20:58
what are you i can’t watch and she’s
21:00
enjoying it yes
21:02
at 3 a.m when i’m like
21:04
wide awake you know going i don’t know
21:06
why i’m wet awake and i’m fearful of my
21:08
for my life you know by the way his wife
21:10
is a sponsor of your show now i just got
21:12
a call earlier oh great that’s great
21:13
okay good i’m glad she followed through
21:15
with that no we’re making we’re making
21:17
light of certain things right i mean you
21:20
know i’ve got to think for you john
21:21
henry too
21:22
not having that the background of that
21:24
and and some of the stories that you’ve
21:26
written are the real high points of
21:28
athletes lives and things like that like
21:30
this these beautiful kind of like
21:33
putting these things together and then
21:35
you get to these types of subjects and
21:36
you’re like my goodness you know this is
21:38
a much different look at things yeah
21:41
well and
21:42
the the the audio that he’s talking
21:44
about um
21:46
it did give me pause uh because it was
21:49
so very powerful
21:51
um and so
21:53
my
21:54
journalists brain went straight to where
21:56
the ethics of this you know
21:59
should we
22:00
what what is our responsibility
22:02
to our listeners and to our community at
22:05
large here in fort texas
22:08
to
22:09
um playing this
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and um
22:13
uh
22:14
we all we talked about it
22:16
in depth and uh ultimately we we decided
22:20
it was uh so integral to the story
22:24
that you had to play it
22:26
um
22:27
and that and then ultimately it it
22:30
it
22:31
serves the purpose we’re trying to drive
22:33
which is uh
22:35
awareness
22:36
of domestic violence in this case
22:39
and and then hopefully the awareness of
22:41
it then action can be taken ultimately
22:43
sure
22:44
right will we be hearing about any of
22:46
the high profile cases over the years
22:48
like the colin davis or the is the
22:50
tatiana jefferson which the trial is
22:51
coming up here and uh this month does
22:54
that kind of stuff ring your guys bell
22:56
or does it go is it more obscure cases
22:58
or do we talk about anything that
23:00
uh is is
23:02
worthy in your minds so as we
23:04
as we kind of hash this out
23:06
you know the framework behind it we’re
23:08
we want to
23:09
more of our focus is going to be on the
23:11
crimes where the story has not been told
23:13
okay because some of those stories are
23:15
just as fascinating for whatever the
23:17
reason is whatever was in the news cycle
23:19
at the time it didn’t get the coverage
23:21
and not everybody knows about it
23:23
when you look at them
23:25
when you look at the facts as a whole
23:28
you know what many of them are are very
23:30
similar so like i said we’re going to
23:32
focus on the ones that have not
23:33
necessarily been told perhaps there will
23:35
be a time where we do one of the high
23:37
profile ones
23:38
unfortunately um we have a
23:42
notebook chocked full of stories that
23:44
haven’t been told already so
23:47
and i say unfortunately because again i
23:49
mean it’s it’s a dark subject there’s no
23:50
doubt about it and i think uh jw2 and
23:53
and reverend
23:54
and as it concerns your question um
23:57
you know we haven’t we have various
23:59
platforms to tell stories where we’ll
24:00
have an online presence to
24:02
that we’ll blog and i would imagine some
24:04
of those instances it probably will be
24:06
more current events right i know we do
24:09
we’re very excited how often will we see
24:11
your podcast drop so our goal is
24:14
dropping every thursday every thursday
24:17
once a week yep wow that’s a tall order
24:19
and you’ll have some like one story
24:21
that’ll be a couple parts right yeah
24:23
maybe i think you kind of break them up
24:25
the vast majority are they’re in depth
24:28
so they’re certainly going to be
24:29
multiple parts to each one two three
24:31
four five it just depends on the story
24:34
you know what day yet you’re dropping is
24:35
there a particular day of the week or
24:37
we do may 19th may 19th beautiful okay
24:41
so may 19th signal 51 chronicles
24:44
uh where can they find it it’s going to
24:46
be on all of the podcast platforms um we
24:50
are going to have our we’ll announce all
24:51
of our website social media sites
24:54
uh coming up roxanne media house
24:56
obviously we’ll house you guys
24:58
absolutely absolutely talk about you
24:59
guys a lot well
25:01
i for one i cannot wait because i know a
25:04
little bit of i’ve talked to you guys
25:05
but some of this is fascinating stuff
25:07
and it’s
25:08
it’s it’s in there like you said it’s
25:09
heavy yeah but when you know when you
25:11
know the story without all the details
25:13
it does make it a lot more real when you
25:15
hear some of the things that you guys
25:16
are going to share so yeah really
25:18
appreciate you guys and we’re excited
25:19
for this yeah thank you guys for being
25:21
here happy heck to be here thank you
25:23
guys thanks for cap tech bank we
25:25
appreciate you guys making this whole
25:26
thing real for us john henry jake white
25:29
sigma 51 chronicles see you guys
25:32
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25:46
party

Transcript

0:00
uh
0:17
welcome back to fortitude everyone
0:19
brinton payne jw wilson welcome to the
0:22
captex bank studio
0:25
we are fortitude a studio for the ages
0:27
studio for the ages indeed one still
0:29
under construction what does that mean
0:30
even i don’t know
0:33
enlighten us please no idea okay you’ve
0:35
been watching that johnny depp trial i
0:37
have not
0:38
it is
0:39
pure
0:40
bliss it is the funniest thing i’ve ever
0:42
seen in my life and a friend of mine and
0:44
i were talking about it was like
0:46
because we are going to talk about crime
0:47
and they’re in a court i don’t know if
0:49
it’s a court crime or whatever but it’s
0:51
probably civil court but uh court of
0:53
crime they don’t even have that criminal
0:55
court um
0:57
you know it’s like what is the what’s
0:59
the point in all the media coverage of
1:01
this trial
1:03
is there some type of like public
1:05
um
1:07
spectacle yeah i mean it’s just it’s for
1:09
advertising i guess you know okay back
1:12
to it are you sure yep whenever you’re
1:14
ready sir already so today bp
1:17
these two cats uh are gonna uh
1:20
introduce something new to the to the
1:21
rockstar media house but before we get
1:24
into that we’re going to introduce each
1:25
of them individually okay to my left
1:27
this guy named john henry john henry is
1:29
the executive editor for fort worth inc
1:31
and he’s a writer for texas magazine did
1:33
i get that right fourth magazine yeah
1:36
magazine all right the applause yeah
1:38
there it is of course you’re receiving
1:39
absolutely so you’ve done a lot of
1:40
really cool stuff in your in your uh
1:43
literary career uh tell us a little
1:45
about yourself john before we get into
1:46
why you two are hanging out with us
1:48
today well i am a
1:50
footwork native born and bred down at
1:53
harris hospital which probably everybody
1:54
else who’s ever been born in fort worth
1:56
texas is
1:58
uh there were probably some home births
2:01
at some point i don’t think everyone
2:03
bathtubs and stuff yeah let’s get you
2:06
down henry keep going
2:08
anyway uh
2:10
what’s school here what’s school at
2:11
texas tech i know that’s probably not
2:13
the best thing for it’s quite okay yeah
2:15
that’s good yes that’s good
2:18
from high school how it’s nolan catholic
2:20
very good
2:22
yeah basketball team i was on a
2:24
basketball team did they have a good one
2:25
then
2:26
yes yes
2:28
back to back uh state runner-ups
2:31
runners-up i remember around that era
2:33
that’s what nolan was really good um
2:36
they hadn’t really hit the football i
2:38
don’t think i mean was did you play no
2:40
one
2:41
from tvs
2:43
did you play them we did in high school
2:44
we did were they good yes okay i didn’t
2:47
know if they had like
2:48
risen as much i do remember the
2:50
basketball in my in my four years uh we
2:53
won four games
2:55
i wouldn’t call that success though out
2:57
of uh how many they played 10 they
2:59
played 10 every year
3:01
oh yeah 10 i think so that’s not a very
3:03
so john so john henry i must digress a
3:06
little bit real quick when so you were
3:08
growing up in fort worth nolan high
3:10
school when did writing become something
3:12
you were interested in
3:13
uh
3:14
probably when i was in college i was a
3:17
history major and did a ton of writing
3:20
okay
3:21
and uh discovered i really
3:24
really loved it
3:25
and uh so i decided you know i’m gonna
3:29
try to do this newspaper career when i
3:30
got out of school
3:32
which is what i did i started i was kind
3:34
of an editor at star telegram and
3:37
editor and writer and then i
3:39
did more editing than i did more writing
3:41
and then when
3:43
i left there the first time
3:45
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3:47
i was the sunday editor
3:49
in sports okay
3:51
and then uh i went back to wright
3:55
i was
3:56
rehired to cover the city of fort worth
3:58
for the star telegram and did that for a
4:00
couple of years
4:01
uh and then uh
4:03
went about went on my own again as a
4:05
freelancer and contractor
4:07
um
4:09
simply because i had more freedom to do
4:11
uh
4:11
projects
4:13
uh and then uh the great hal brown
4:15
called me up and uh asked me about this
4:17
job with fourth inc which i’ve been
4:19
there since uh last fall okay what were
4:21
the like some of those freelance
4:23
projects you covered in the city of fort
4:24
worth and then what other stuff would
4:25
you kind of
4:27
you shoot uh my my favorite project is
4:30
uh was religion
4:32
um well the what was a religion project
4:34
it was uh
4:37
pope benedict
4:38
the pope you might be familiar with at
4:40
some point we’ve heard of him yes yes
4:42
uh
4:43
he created this uh he’s coming up next
4:45
john
4:46
let’s stay on task getting up the stairs
4:50
uh his vehicle he’s got the
4:53
double decker cool will you make sure
4:54
the pope has a water yes and that his
4:57
vehicle is charged or gassed up but
4:59
anyway uh there was a chism within the
5:01
episcopalian anglican church and he
5:03
created this pathway
5:05
for anglican church anglian churches to
5:09
come into the catholic church
5:11
now the significance of that is that
5:13
you know you’re kind of yawning right
5:14
now i can tell but no i’m you’re using
5:16
these words like like
5:19
only a writer could interject that at
5:21
the perfect moment but the significance
5:23
of this is that it was the most
5:25
comprehensive step to reunification
5:28
since martin luther
5:30
in
5:31
15
5:32
whatever that was 15 49 or 94 or
5:34
whatever 400 something years yeah
5:37
so uh
5:38
there was this whole process and of
5:40
course the the uh the center of this
5:44
was in fort worth texas
5:46
because of
5:47
uh of uh
5:49
icar
5:50
bishop bikers
5:52
split
5:54
um
5:55
here for texas and so it was
5:58
ground zero was right here so that’s why
6:00
we got to do it
6:01
oh that’s great so what did it get
6:03
published in
6:04
uh the catholic news service in dc
6:08
uh
6:09
the uh north texas catholic here yeah
6:12
are you catholic i am yeah so it was
6:15
was it hard to be unbiased in it no
6:19
no i’ve never had that problem yeah
6:22
people think they know who i am
6:23
politically but it’s like you know
6:24
listen the door opens and the door
6:26
closes
6:27
yeah you’re professional ultimately
6:29
you’re not a
6:30
republican or democrat i can’t say that
6:32
for everybody but yep right yeah john
6:34
henry what’s the life like of a person
6:36
in your in your profession what are you
6:38
are you always on in on the hunt for
6:39
something to write about is it does this
6:41
come to you what’s always sniffing for a
6:43
story yeah always got her always got a
6:45
nose out a lot of people think that
6:47
happens at the bar and sometimes it does
6:49
but
6:50
but uh no always looking for a good
6:52
story storytellers storytelling is
6:55
ultimately what the job is i’m guessing
6:57
that’s what led you to the gentleman to
6:59
your left exactly so what’s sniffing
7:01
around a bar yes that that among other
7:03
things yes correct
7:05
welcome to show your your partner your
7:07
new partner mr uh retired sergeant jake
7:10
white of the fourth police department
7:12
welcome jake thank you you’ve been on
7:13
the show before which who had lots of
7:16
success with your show it was
7:17
fascinating some of the stuff you’ve
7:18
dealt with in your in your life
7:20
tell us a little bit about that and then
7:22
how the two of you guys found each other
7:24
i’m following up the pope story so this
7:27
is going to pale in comparison you
7:29
catholic too no i’m not
7:31
thanks for asking now i was going to see
7:32
if there’s a biased article it’s going
7:34
to just no good
7:37
no so i retired in uh earlier this year
7:40
beginning of 2022. you don’t seem old
7:43
enough to be retiring jake yeah i left a
7:45
little early it was just time to go
7:47
right ready ready to move on
7:49
to like how old were you this rookie cop
7:51
uh
7:52
2022. yeah yeah
7:55
that’s a young man grew up doing it i
7:57
guess
7:58
i don’t know that i really grew up but
8:00
yeah i was young when i started yes
8:03
so and you needed the money
8:05
and i needed the money that’s correct i
8:07
think i went down the wrong road but
8:08
whatever
8:09
uh so yeah john and i uh
8:12
got together and we’re going to announce
8:14
our little project coming up how did you
8:16
guys meet first so
8:18
literally at the bar
8:20
that’s not a joke did did he buy you a
8:22
drink did you buy a drink i say
8:25
it was over a shot of crystal light okay
8:27
the drink crystal meth the crystal light
8:30
okay the flavor enhancer if you will
8:32
okay you didn’t turn to your wife and
8:33
say i believe that’s the guy who wrote
8:36
that piece on the pope and the fort
8:38
worth
8:42
was he on the bar talking about the pope
8:44
story and how everybody should be
8:45
reading this yeah he has legend a
8:48
legendary joke we’re not going to get
8:49
into it here but he does have a
8:52
legendary joke
8:53
but no he wasn’t it was over a shot of
8:55
crystal light to
8:57
flavor my
8:58
beverage if you will and okay
9:00
so one thing led to another
9:02
we start talking and we start talking
9:04
about this crime stuff and come up with
9:06
an idea and here we are the idea
9:10
signal 51 chronicles yep what is signal
9:13
51 chronicles so signal 51 chronicles is
9:16
a true crime podcast about crimes in and
9:19
around fort worth outstanding
9:23
there it is that’s a little late but
9:25
better late than never
9:27
thank you for that edition brinton yes
9:29
you’re welcome our lives are now richer
9:31
did were we already doing i mean not
9:34
like
9:34
i i knew you at the time when you guys
9:36
had first met had we already been doing
9:39
ours or you guys it was like before then
9:42
and then you
9:43
no i think you guys had already started
9:45
yeah yeah and then i because i know that
9:47
you had mentioned that before had you
9:49
ever had an intro did you ever write
9:50
crime stories i’ve criminal courts i’ve
9:52
done criminal courts okay yeah not um
9:55
crime court i think i was believed was
9:57
without court of crime i believe
9:59
yeah a court of crime court of crime
10:02
yeah
10:04
uh so you did i did some court of crime
10:07
yes yes and um did you enjoy that kind
10:09
of writing because a lot of your stuff
10:11
is it is based on
10:12
just one individual it seems like or
10:16
you know generally and so
10:18
um
10:19
that was something that you’d like i
10:21
loved it i loved it uh clearly audiences
10:24
love it i think you know i think so too
10:26
and uh
10:27
you know it’s kind of in addition to the
10:29
examination of the crime itself there’s
10:31
also the examination of the human
10:33
condition and what leads
10:35
perpetrators to
10:37
to get in the position where they are to
10:39
commit these crimes yep yeah like
10:40
there’s a lesson
10:42
for society as a whole yeah so and yeah
10:46
and you probably got a little bit of
10:48
that uh life lesson going and coming
10:50
from your background right yeah yeah
10:53
yeah definitely and i think that’s one
10:54
of the cool things about what we’re
10:55
doing is getting
10:57
you know getting john’s perspective on
10:59
things right and being able to tell that
11:01
story i mean it’s easy to get up and
11:03
talk about you know whatever crime
11:05
whatever story you want to
11:06
but composing it
11:08
you know it’s interesting seeing his
11:10
take on it and how it’s composed and
11:13
you know it all you know it looks
11:15
different on paper if you will like when
11:17
we write things out right
11:19
but when you tell it i mean
11:20
they’re great yeah brinton’s right there
11:22
is a huge thirst in the world for crime
11:25
podcast in general and now you guys are
11:27
doing one that’s fort worth centered for
11:29
metroplex centered any of the crimes you
11:31
know you’re talking about involved you
11:33
ever are you yeah so we’ve got uh we’ve
11:36
got the first three uh we obviously got
11:38
the first one done
11:40
uh one of the ones that we’re going to
11:42
do is a case that i worked um
11:44
and you know with it being a true crime
11:46
podcast a lot of times people think it’s
11:48
just a murder podcast right well that’s
11:50
not what this one’s going to be
11:51
obviously there are going to be some
11:53
that involve murders but we’ve also got
11:55
ones that involve um
11:57
drug conspiracies overdose deaths things
11:59
like that
12:00
serial criminals if you will
12:03
interns on the tcu campus that might
12:05
have gotten picked up for
12:07
some misdemeanor nothing like that no
12:10
nothing okay
12:11
um
12:12
what is the first the first one you
12:14
mentioned can we tell we talk we tell
12:16
the the story or tell the uh the crime
12:18
that was committed or at least the story
12:20
so i think the
12:22
overall it’s going to be a
12:25
domestic related
12:27
it’s a it’s about a uh a high-profile
12:31
individual in fort worth who takes on a
12:33
younger paramour and it ends in uh
12:36
tragedy okay
12:38
will we get everything from beginning to
12:40
finish how it ends how the crime was
12:43
ultimately saw the whole the whole nine
12:45
yards you will yeah now we’ll we’ll
12:46
we’re going to step into the
12:48
interrogation room on this on this
12:50
particular case and uh
12:52
and uh see the detective wear this guy
12:56
down
12:57
uh the perpetrator the alleged
12:59
perpetrator
13:00
and uh i think i think uh you and the
13:03
the audience at large will be fascinated
13:05
by it i can’t wait to hear it
13:09
what’s been kind of the biggest thing
13:10
that you guys have discovered about
13:12
either working together and doing this
13:15
or
13:16
let me back up let me ask a question
13:17
first what was the intent of getting
13:19
together and doing this um like there’s
13:22
got to be something more than just
13:23
retelling a story of crime like is there
13:26
something uh that kind of you all said
13:28
we could do it and we could do it
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differently by
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i think there was i think there’s two
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things that we looked at one we want to
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tell the stories that aren’t always told
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here
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right some so many of the crimes that we
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discussed
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they may have been a quick you know
13:43
blurb in the newspaper on the news or
13:44
something like that but those are the
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ones that we’re going to dive into the
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first point the second point we’re also
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highlighting the fact
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and we want to incorporate resources
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involved in it because ultimately
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you know when you look at when you look
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at a criminal act criminal behavior
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whether it be through a drug addiction
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or some kind of you know domestic
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related domestic violence related case
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something like that there are resources
14:08
available and we also want to have we we
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want to
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make that avenue available to people and
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make them recognize that they’re likely
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not the only one in that position right
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so that’s
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you know i think ultimately those were
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the two primary goals that we looked at
14:22
was you know just simply
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you know giving back in a different way
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you know whether you know if that’s
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offering resources or at least linking
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people up with resources will you be
14:30
sharing your sergeant hat thoughts on
14:32
these crimes and how you one might see
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them through the lens of a police
14:37
sergeant or is are you just strictly
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being a storyteller if that’s a no so
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that that’s a that’s an interesting
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question you bring up because when we
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look at these it’s difficult you know
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after 22 years
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that’s really the only hat i have when
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it comes to crime right yeah so it’s a
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different you know i don’t want to say
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that you know we try to be neutral
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clearly but you know i mean i’m going
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i’m going to look at it through the cop
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lens there’s no doubt about it and
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that’s one of the things that we talk
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about and one of the things that we
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discuss and kind of
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you know um
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frame it in in the sense that
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you know this is why the detectives are
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taking this step or this is you know
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potentially why this happened or how the
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police responded et cetera
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and i think that really does
15:18
brinton you ask what sets it apart i
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think that’s really one of the things
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that sets it apart is
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we have here an officer of
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you know more than 20 years
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who has a base of knowledge through
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training and experience
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and he’s able to share that perspective
15:34
on these crimes through that base of
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knowledge
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and of course it’ll be even more
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fascinating when we get into the cases
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that he’s that he’s worked
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to to step to step in those shoes as an
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officer well and if you think about i
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mean jake worked in the drug you know
15:52
arena and i had heard this and you
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always hear this many times from police
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is that
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i mean drugs run it you know i mean it’s
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kind of the genesis for almost all crime
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that i mean that there there’s a
16:05
component that it made absolutely i mean
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i think you know i i don’t want to
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attach a percentage to it in regards to
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you know x number percent of crimes
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caused by it but it’s it’s huge it’s
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significant
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um you know and it goes to show that
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what we’re doing now society doesn’t
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work all right there’s got to be a
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different solution i would suspect
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um what that is i don’t know i don’t
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know that i’d be sitting here if i did
16:29
have the answer to that but yeah i mean
16:31
100 that’s the cause of you know when
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you look at
16:34
the murder rate in fort worth right now
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through the roof high higher than we’ve
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seen it in the last 30 years
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i would suspect and what some of the
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things that i know
16:45
that the vast majority of them
16:47
are drug deal’s gone wrong or there’s
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some kind of nexus to that drug world or
16:52
gang world which they’re so closely
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uh
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intertwined it’s hard to separate so
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yeah john henry why do you think people
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are so ravenous about crime and wanting
17:02
to know like you’ve heard of the dirty
17:04
john which became a podcast it became a
17:07
series and then dr death the guy in
17:09
dallas that was performing fraudulent
17:12
surgeries on people multiple people and
17:14
that now that’s a big deal
17:16
why are people so ravenous about pot
17:18
crime podcasts i think it’s because
17:20
we relate
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to in some way we relate to these cases
17:26
um just because we’re all here we’re all
17:29
part of this community we call earth we
17:32
call fort worth
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um
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and
17:35
and we’re we all have these human
17:37
conditions and i think we a lot of us
17:39
look at these cases and go you know
17:41
there but by the grace of god go i you
17:43
know this i could have either run into
17:44
this person or i could be the
17:46
perpetrator if something
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doesn’t go right right
17:51
i guess maybe from listening to you over
17:53
a year the years were all you know just
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the wrong circumstances from being
17:56
involved in something unfortunately
17:58
right you know god forbid that happens
17:59
any of us but if you’re in the wrong
18:01
place the right time it does it doesn’t
18:02
matter if you’re doing the right thing
18:03
you just might be unlucky and then
18:05
unfortunately these things happen from
18:07
every everyday perspective exactly yeah
18:09
well from what you guys do in this first
18:11
one do you think we’re as a society
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closer to those moments than we’ve ever
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been before and that’s part of the
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fascination is that um
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that
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we’re we’re kind of gravitating towards
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that uh
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a little bit well i don’t i don’t know
18:28
but i i know that there’s also this
18:30
human instinct to fight or flight and so
18:31
we put ourselves we put ourselves in the
18:34
middle of these stories and
18:35
we
18:37
almost have to make a decision while
18:38
we’re watching or listening this
18:40
fight or flight you know yeah you come
18:43
it’s very instinctive you know that came
18:44
up um
18:45
when we’ve talked about this first one
18:47
and stuff is just
18:48
it’s crazy how many decisions you make
18:50
when you’re looking at that phone on
18:52
nobody is saying you need to listen to
18:54
this right like no one is
18:56
you know got i hate to use this analogy
18:58
but gun to your head saying you’ve got
19:00
to listen there’s that decision to delve
19:02
deeper and and do that and i don’t think
19:05
anyone is really measuring those
19:08
decisions you know in in in what we’re
19:10
doing with that i mean it’s a very
19:12
curious thing and where i think
19:13
everyone’s very becomes more and more
19:15
curious but i also think that some of
19:17
the subjects that we’re exploring are
19:19
they’re dark you know and uh they’re
19:22
they’re very heavy uh and have you guys
19:24
thought about
19:26
obviously you’re pretty callous towards
19:27
it but i don’t know about you john let
19:29
me managing some of that because you’re
19:31
gonna see parts of humanity that maybe
19:33
aren’t aren’t the prettiest and i know i
19:35
i will say i think there was i saw two
19:38
interesting things happen on this first
19:39
one that we did there’s going to be a
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part of it uh that’s graphic
19:44
and getting to see your reaction and
19:46
your reaction john and i
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uh
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did you tell them about mine i asked you
19:51
not to tell him about mine no i didn’t
19:53
i’m going i’m about to tell him about
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yourself okay i’ll tell everybody about
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it yeah so
19:59
watching watching john’s reaction
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because we’re we’re going through this
20:03
case at the same time together and this
20:05
graphic part yeah
20:07
i mean
20:08
yeah i think it’s safe to say we both
20:10
kind of froze
20:12
whoa this is way
20:14
deeper way darker than what we were
20:17
prepared for we’re clicking a file on a
20:19
computer right
20:20
we don’t know what’s going to come up in
20:22
terms of audio
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and
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i mean it’s dark
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and then
20:28
playing it for you i forced brinton in
20:31
his front yard i’m like you got to hear
20:33
this man i was like you have to hear
20:35
this and he’s like
20:36
i don’t know is it bad and i was like oh
20:38
yeah yeah did he faint
20:41
he made it no he didn’t faint because he
20:43
lasted
20:44
what five seconds into the audio
20:47
and that was it you have to understand
20:49
where i come from my friday nights exist
20:51
where my wife is watching like how to
20:53
kill your husband on 2020 or dateline
20:56
and it’s like
20:58
what are you i can’t watch and she’s
21:00
enjoying it yes
21:02
at 3 a.m when i’m like
21:04
wide awake you know going i don’t know
21:06
why i’m wet awake and i’m fearful of my
21:08
for my life you know by the way his wife
21:10
is a sponsor of your show now i just got
21:12
a call earlier oh great that’s great
21:13
okay good i’m glad she followed through
21:15
with that no we’re making we’re making
21:17
light of certain things right i mean you
21:20
know i’ve got to think for you john
21:21
henry too
21:22
not having that the background of that
21:24
and and some of the stories that you’ve
21:26
written are the real high points of
21:28
athletes lives and things like that like
21:30
this these beautiful kind of like
21:33
putting these things together and then
21:35
you get to these types of subjects and
21:36
you’re like my goodness you know this is
21:38
a much different look at things yeah
21:41
well and
21:42
the the the audio that he’s talking
21:44
about um
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it did give me pause uh because it was
21:49
so very powerful
21:51
um and so
21:53
my
21:54
journalists brain went straight to where
21:56
the ethics of this you know
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should we
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what what is our responsibility
22:02
to our listeners and to our community at
22:05
large here in fort texas
22:08
to
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um playing this
22:10
and um
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uh
22:14
we all we talked about it
22:16
in depth and uh ultimately we we decided
22:20
it was uh so integral to the story
22:24
that you had to play it
22:26
um
22:27
and that and then ultimately it it
22:30
it
22:31
serves the purpose we’re trying to drive
22:33
which is uh
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awareness
22:36
of domestic violence in this case
22:39
and and then hopefully the awareness of
22:41
it then action can be taken ultimately
22:43
sure
22:44
right will we be hearing about any of
22:46
the high profile cases over the years
22:48
like the colin davis or the is the
22:50
tatiana jefferson which the trial is
22:51
coming up here and uh this month does
22:54
that kind of stuff ring your guys bell
22:56
or does it go is it more obscure cases
22:58
or do we talk about anything that
23:00
uh is is
23:02
worthy in your minds so as we
23:04
as we kind of hash this out
23:06
you know the framework behind it we’re
23:08
we want to
23:09
more of our focus is going to be on the
23:11
crimes where the story has not been told
23:13
okay because some of those stories are
23:15
just as fascinating for whatever the
23:17
reason is whatever was in the news cycle
23:19
at the time it didn’t get the coverage
23:21
and not everybody knows about it
23:23
when you look at them
23:25
when you look at the facts as a whole
23:28
you know what many of them are are very
23:30
similar so like i said we’re going to
23:32
focus on the ones that have not
23:33
necessarily been told perhaps there will
23:35
be a time where we do one of the high
23:37
profile ones
23:38
unfortunately um we have a
23:42
notebook chocked full of stories that
23:44
haven’t been told already so
23:47
and i say unfortunately because again i
23:49
mean it’s it’s a dark subject there’s no
23:50
doubt about it and i think uh jw2 and
23:53
and reverend
23:54
and as it concerns your question um
23:57
you know we haven’t we have various
23:59
platforms to tell stories where we’ll
24:00
have an online presence to
24:02
that we’ll blog and i would imagine some
24:04
of those instances it probably will be
24:06
more current events right i know we do
24:09
we’re very excited how often will we see
24:11
your podcast drop so our goal is
24:14
dropping every thursday every thursday
24:17
once a week yep wow that’s a tall order
24:19
and you’ll have some like one story
24:21
that’ll be a couple parts right yeah
24:23
maybe i think you kind of break them up
24:25
the vast majority are they’re in depth
24:28
so they’re certainly going to be
24:29
multiple parts to each one two three
24:31
four five it just depends on the story
24:34
you know what day yet you’re dropping is
24:35
there a particular day of the week or
24:37
we do may 19th may 19th beautiful okay
24:41
so may 19th signal 51 chronicles
24:44
uh where can they find it it’s going to
24:46
be on all of the podcast platforms um we
24:50
are going to have our we’ll announce all
24:51
of our website social media sites
24:54
uh coming up roxanne media house
24:56
obviously we’ll house you guys
24:58
absolutely absolutely talk about you
24:59
guys a lot well
25:01
i for one i cannot wait because i know a
25:04
little bit of i’ve talked to you guys
25:05
but some of this is fascinating stuff
25:07
and it’s
25:08
it’s it’s in there like you said it’s
25:09
heavy yeah but when you know when you
25:11
know the story without all the details
25:13
it does make it a lot more real when you
25:15
hear some of the things that you guys
25:16
are going to share so yeah really
25:18
appreciate you guys and we’re excited
25:19
for this yeah thank you guys for being
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here happy heck to be here thank you
25:23
guys thanks for cap tech bank we
25:25
appreciate you guys making this whole
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thing real for us john henry jake white
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signal 51 chronicles see you guys
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