Hosts of the new Roxo Media House true crime show Signal 51 Chronicles, Jake White and John Henry, drop in for this episode of FORTitude FW to talk about the premiere of their new show. They discuss why their backgrounds as a former police sargeant and investigative journalist allow them unique insight into each story they tell and what gave them the idea for the show.
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uh
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welcome back to fortitude everyone
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brinton payne jw wilson welcome to the
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captex bank studio
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we are fortitude a studio for the ages
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studio for the ages indeed one still
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under construction what does that mean
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even i don’t know
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enlighten us please no idea okay you’ve
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been watching that johnny depp trial i
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have not
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it is
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pure
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bliss it is the funniest thing i’ve ever
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seen in my life and a friend of mine and
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i were talking about it was like
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because we are going to talk about crime
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and they’re in a court i don’t know if
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it’s a court crime or whatever but it’s
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probably civil court but uh court of
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crime they don’t even have that criminal
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court um
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you know it’s like what is the what’s
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the point in all the media coverage of
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this trial
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is there some type of like public
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um
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spectacle yeah i mean it’s just it’s for
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advertising i guess you know okay back
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to it are you sure yep whenever you’re
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ready sir already so today bp
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these two cats uh are gonna uh
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introduce something new to the to the
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rockstar media house but before we get
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into that we’re going to introduce each
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of them individually okay to my left
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this guy named john henry john henry is
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the executive editor for fort worth inc
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and he’s a writer for texas magazine did
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i get that right fourth magazine yeah
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magazine all right the applause yeah
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there it is of course you’re receiving
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absolutely so you’ve done a lot of
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really cool stuff in your in your uh
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literary career uh tell us a little
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about yourself john before we get into
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why you two are hanging out with us
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today well i am a
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footwork native born and bred down at
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harris hospital which probably everybody
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else who’s ever been born in fort worth
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texas is
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uh there were probably some home births
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at some point i don’t think everyone
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bathtubs and stuff yeah let’s get you
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down henry keep going
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anyway uh
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what’s school here what’s school at
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texas tech i know that’s probably not
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the best thing for it’s quite okay yeah
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that’s good yes that’s good
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from high school how it’s nolan catholic
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very good
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yeah basketball team i was on a
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basketball team did they have a good one
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then
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yes yes
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back to back uh state runner-ups
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runners-up i remember around that era
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that’s what nolan was really good um
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they hadn’t really hit the football i
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don’t think i mean was did you play no
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one
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from tvs
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did you play them we did in high school
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we did were they good yes okay i didn’t
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know if they had like
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risen as much i do remember the
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basketball in my in my four years uh we
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won four games
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i wouldn’t call that success though out
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of uh how many they played 10 they
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played 10 every year
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oh yeah 10 i think so that’s not a very
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so john so john henry i must digress a
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little bit real quick when so you were
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growing up in fort worth nolan high
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school when did writing become something
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you were interested in
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uh
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probably when i was in college i was a
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history major and did a ton of writing
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okay
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and uh discovered i really
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really loved it
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and uh so i decided you know i’m gonna
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try to do this newspaper career when i
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got out of school
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which is what i did i started i was kind
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of an editor at star telegram and
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editor and writer and then i
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did more editing than i did more writing
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and then when
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i left there the first time
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i was the sunday editor
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in sports okay
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and then uh i went back to wright
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i was
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rehired to cover the city of fort worth
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for the star telegram and did that for a
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couple of years
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uh and then uh
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went about went on my own again as a
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freelancer and contractor
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um
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simply because i had more freedom to do
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uh
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projects
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uh and then uh the great hal brown
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called me up and uh asked me about this
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job with fourth inc which i’ve been
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there since uh last fall okay what were
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the like some of those freelance
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projects you covered in the city of fort
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worth and then what other stuff would
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you kind of
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you shoot uh my my favorite project is
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uh was religion
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um well the what was a religion project
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it was uh
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pope benedict
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the pope you might be familiar with at
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some point we’ve heard of him yes yes
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uh
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he created this uh he’s coming up next
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john
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let’s stay on task getting up the stairs
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uh his vehicle he’s got the
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double decker cool will you make sure
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the pope has a water yes and that his
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vehicle is charged or gassed up but
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anyway uh there was a chism within the
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episcopalian anglican church and he
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created this pathway
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for anglican church anglian churches to
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come into the catholic church
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now the significance of that is that
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you know you’re kind of yawning right
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now i can tell but no i’m you’re using
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these words like like
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only a writer could interject that at
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the perfect moment but the significance
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of this is that it was the most
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comprehensive step to reunification
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since martin luther
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in
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15
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whatever that was 15 49 or 94 or
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whatever 400 something years yeah
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so uh
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there was this whole process and of
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course the the uh the center of this
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was in fort worth texas
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because of
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uh of uh
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icar
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bishop bikers
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split
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um
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here for texas and so it was
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ground zero was right here so that’s why
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we got to do it
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oh that’s great so what did it get
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published in
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uh the catholic news service in dc
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uh
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the uh north texas catholic here yeah
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are you catholic i am yeah so it was
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was it hard to be unbiased in it no
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no i’ve never had that problem yeah
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people think they know who i am
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politically but it’s like you know
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listen the door opens and the door
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closes
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yeah you’re professional ultimately
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you’re not a
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republican or democrat i can’t say that
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for everybody but yep right yeah john
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henry what’s the life like of a person
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in your in your profession what are you
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are you always on in on the hunt for
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something to write about is it does this
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come to you what’s always sniffing for a
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story yeah always got her always got a
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nose out a lot of people think that
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happens at the bar and sometimes it does
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but
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but uh no always looking for a good
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story storytellers storytelling is
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ultimately what the job is i’m guessing
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that’s what led you to the gentleman to
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your left exactly so what’s sniffing
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around a bar yes that that among other
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things yes correct
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welcome to show your your partner your
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new partner mr uh retired sergeant jake
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white of the fourth police department
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welcome jake thank you you’ve been on
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the show before which who had lots of
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success with your show it was
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fascinating some of the stuff you’ve
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dealt with in your in your life
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tell us a little bit about that and then
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how the two of you guys found each other
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i’m following up the pope story so this
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is going to pale in comparison you
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catholic too no i’m not
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thanks for asking now i was going to see
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if there’s a biased article it’s going
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to just no good
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no so i retired in uh earlier this year
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beginning of 2022. you don’t seem old
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enough to be retiring jake yeah i left a
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little early it was just time to go
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right ready ready to move on
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to like how old were you this rookie cop
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uh
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2022. yeah yeah
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that’s a young man grew up doing it i
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guess
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i don’t know that i really grew up but
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yeah i was young when i started yes
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so and you needed the money
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and i needed the money that’s correct i
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think i went down the wrong road but
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whatever
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uh so yeah john and i uh
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got together and we’re going to announce
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our little project coming up how did you
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guys meet first so
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literally at the bar
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that’s not a joke did did he buy you a
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drink did you buy a drink i say
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it was over a shot of crystal light okay
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the drink crystal meth the crystal light
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okay the flavor enhancer if you will
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okay you didn’t turn to your wife and
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say i believe that’s the guy who wrote
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that piece on the pope and the fort
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worth
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was he on the bar talking about the pope
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story and how everybody should be
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reading this yeah he has legend a
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legendary joke we’re not going to get
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into it here but he does have a
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legendary joke
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but no he wasn’t it was over a shot of
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crystal light to
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flavor my
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beverage if you will and okay
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so one thing led to another
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we start talking and we start talking
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about this crime stuff and come up with
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an idea and here we are the idea
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signal 51 chronicles yep what is signal
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51 chronicles so signal 51 chronicles is
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a true crime podcast about crimes in and
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around fort worth outstanding
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there it is that’s a little late but
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better late than never
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thank you for that edition brinton yes
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you’re welcome our lives are now richer
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did were we already doing i mean not
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like
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i i knew you at the time when you guys
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had first met had we already been doing
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ours or you guys it was like before then
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and then you
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no i think you guys had already started
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yeah yeah and then i because i know that
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you had mentioned that before had you
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ever had an intro did you ever write
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crime stories i’ve criminal courts i’ve
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done criminal courts okay yeah not um
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crime court i think i was believed was
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without court of crime i believe
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yeah a court of crime court of crime
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yeah
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uh so you did i did some court of crime
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yes yes and um did you enjoy that kind
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of writing because a lot of your stuff
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is it is based on
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just one individual it seems like or
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you know generally and so
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um
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that was something that you’d like i
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loved it i loved it uh clearly audiences
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love it i think you know i think so too
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and uh
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you know it’s kind of in addition to the
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examination of the crime itself there’s
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also the examination of the human
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condition and what leads
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perpetrators to
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to get in the position where they are to
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commit these crimes yep yeah like
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there’s a lesson
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for society as a whole yeah so and yeah
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and you probably got a little bit of
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that uh life lesson going and coming
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from your background right yeah yeah
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yeah definitely and i think that’s one
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of the cool things about what we’re
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doing is getting
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you know getting john’s perspective on
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things right and being able to tell that
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story i mean it’s easy to get up and
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talk about you know whatever crime
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whatever story you want to
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but composing it
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you know it’s interesting seeing his
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take on it and how it’s composed and
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you know it all you know it looks
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different on paper if you will like when
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we write things out right
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but when you tell it i mean
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they’re great yeah brinton’s right there
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is a huge thirst in the world for crime
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podcast in general and now you guys are
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doing one that’s fort worth centered for
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metroplex centered any of the crimes you
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know you’re talking about involved you
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ever are you yeah so we’ve got uh we’ve
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got the first three uh we obviously got
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the first one done
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uh one of the ones that we’re going to
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do is a case that i worked um
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and you know with it being a true crime
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podcast a lot of times people think it’s
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just a murder podcast right well that’s
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not what this one’s going to be
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obviously there are going to be some
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that involve murders but we’ve also got
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ones that involve um
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drug conspiracies overdose deaths things
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like that
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serial criminals if you will
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interns on the tcu campus that might
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have gotten picked up for
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some misdemeanor nothing like that no
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nothing okay
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um
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what is the first the first one you
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mentioned can we tell we talk we tell
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the the story or tell the uh the crime
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that was committed or at least the story
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so i think the
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overall it’s going to be a
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domestic related
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it’s a it’s about a uh a high-profile
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individual in fort worth who takes on a
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younger paramour and it ends in uh
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tragedy okay
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will we get everything from beginning to
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finish how it ends how the crime was
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ultimately saw the whole the whole nine
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yards you will yeah now we’ll we’ll
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we’re going to step into the
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interrogation room on this on this
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particular case and uh
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and uh see the detective wear this guy
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down
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uh the perpetrator the alleged
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perpetrator
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and uh i think i think uh you and the
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the audience at large will be fascinated
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by it i can’t wait to hear it
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what’s been kind of the biggest thing
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that you guys have discovered about
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either working together and doing this
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or
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let me back up let me ask a question
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first what was the intent of getting
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together and doing this um like there’s
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got to be something more than just
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retelling a story of crime like is there
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something uh that kind of you all said
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we could do it and we could do it
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differently by
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i think there was i think there’s two
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things that we looked at one we want to
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tell the stories that aren’t always told
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here
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right some so many of the crimes that we
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discussed
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they may have been a quick you know
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blurb in the newspaper on the news or
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something like that but those are the
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ones that we’re going to dive into the
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first point the second point we’re also
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highlighting the fact
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and we want to incorporate resources
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involved in it because ultimately
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you know when you look at when you look
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at a criminal act criminal behavior
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whether it be through a drug addiction
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or some kind of you know domestic
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related domestic violence related case
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something like that there are resources
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available and we also want to have we we
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want to
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make that avenue available to people and
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make them recognize that they’re likely
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not the only one in that position right
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so that’s
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you know i think ultimately those were
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the two primary goals that we looked at
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was you know just simply
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you know giving back in a different way
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you know whether you know if that’s
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offering resources or at least linking
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people up with resources will you be
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sharing your sergeant hat thoughts on
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these crimes and how you one might see
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them through the lens of a police
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sergeant or is are you just strictly
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being a storyteller if that’s a no so
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that that’s a that’s an interesting
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question you bring up because when we
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look at these it’s difficult you know
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after 22 years
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that’s really the only hat i have when
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it comes to crime right yeah so it’s a
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different you know i don’t want to say
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that you know we try to be neutral
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clearly but you know i mean i’m going
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i’m going to look at it through the cop
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lens there’s no doubt about it and
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that’s one of the things that we talk
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about and one of the things that we
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discuss and kind of
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you know um
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frame it in in the sense that
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you know this is why the detectives are
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taking this step or this is you know
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potentially why this happened or how the
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police responded et cetera
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and i think that really does
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brinton you ask what sets it apart i
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think that’s really one of the things
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that sets it apart is
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we have here an officer of
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you know more than 20 years
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who has a base of knowledge through
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training and experience
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and he’s able to share that perspective
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on these crimes through that base of
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knowledge
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and of course it’ll be even more
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fascinating when we get into the cases
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that he’s that he’s worked
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to to step to step in those shoes as an
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officer well and if you think about i
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mean jake worked in the drug you know
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arena and i had heard this and you
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always hear this many times from police
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is that
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i mean drugs run it you know i mean it’s
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kind of the genesis for almost all crime
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that i mean that there there’s a
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component that it made absolutely i mean
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i think you know i i don’t want to
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attach a percentage to it in regards to
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you know x number percent of crimes
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caused by it but it’s it’s huge it’s
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significant
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um you know and it goes to show that
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what we’re doing now society doesn’t
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work all right there’s got to be a
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different solution i would suspect
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um what that is i don’t know i don’t
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know that i’d be sitting here if i did
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have the answer to that but yeah i mean
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100 that’s the cause of you know when
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you look at
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the murder rate in fort worth right now
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through the roof high higher than we’ve
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seen it in the last 30 years
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i would suspect and what some of the
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things that i know
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that the vast majority of them
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are drug deal’s gone wrong or there’s
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some kind of nexus to that drug world or
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gang world which they’re so closely
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uh
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intertwined it’s hard to separate so
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yeah john henry why do you think people
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are so ravenous about crime and wanting
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to know like you’ve heard of the dirty
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john which became a podcast it became a
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series and then dr death the guy in
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dallas that was performing fraudulent
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surgeries on people multiple people and
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that now that’s a big deal
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why are people so ravenous about pot
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crime podcasts i think it’s because
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we relate
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to in some way we relate to these cases
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um just because we’re all here we’re all
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part of this community we call earth we
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call fort worth
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um
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and
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and we’re we all have these human
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conditions and i think we a lot of us
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look at these cases and go you know
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there but by the grace of god go i you
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know this i could have either run into
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this person or i could be the
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perpetrator if something
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doesn’t go right right
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i guess maybe from listening to you over
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a year the years were all you know just
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the wrong circumstances from being
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involved in something unfortunately
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right you know god forbid that happens
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any of us but if you’re in the wrong
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place the right time it does it doesn’t
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matter if you’re doing the right thing
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you just might be unlucky and then
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unfortunately these things happen from
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every everyday perspective exactly yeah
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well from what you guys do in this first
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one do you think we’re as a society
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closer to those moments than we’ve ever
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been before and that’s part of the
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fascination is that um
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that
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we’re we’re kind of gravitating towards
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that uh
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a little bit well i don’t i don’t know
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but i i know that there’s also this
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human instinct to fight or flight and so
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we put ourselves we put ourselves in the
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middle of these stories and
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we
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almost have to make a decision while
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we’re watching or listening this
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fight or flight you know yeah you come
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it’s very instinctive you know that came
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up um
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when we’ve talked about this first one
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and stuff is just
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it’s crazy how many decisions you make
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when you’re looking at that phone on
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nobody is saying you need to listen to
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this right like no one is
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you know got i hate to use this analogy
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but gun to your head saying you’ve got
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to listen there’s that decision to delve
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deeper and and do that and i don’t think
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anyone is really measuring those
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decisions you know in in in what we’re
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doing with that i mean it’s a very
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curious thing and where i think
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everyone’s very becomes more and more
19:15
curious but i also think that some of
19:17
the subjects that we’re exploring are
19:19
they’re dark you know and uh they’re
19:22
they’re very heavy uh and have you guys
19:24
thought about
19:26
obviously you’re pretty callous towards
19:27
it but i don’t know about you john let
19:29
me managing some of that because you’re
19:31
gonna see parts of humanity that maybe
19:33
aren’t aren’t the prettiest and i know i
19:35
i will say i think there was i saw two
19:38
interesting things happen on this first
19:39
one that we did there’s going to be a
19:41
part of it uh that’s graphic
19:44
and getting to see your reaction and
19:46
your reaction john and i
19:49
uh
19:50
did you tell them about mine i asked you
19:51
not to tell him about mine no i didn’t
19:53
i’m going i’m about to tell him about
19:55
yourself okay i’ll tell everybody about
19:57
it yeah so
19:59
watching watching john’s reaction
20:01
because we’re we’re going through this
20:03
case at the same time together and this
20:05
graphic part yeah
20:07
i mean
20:08
yeah i think it’s safe to say we both
20:10
kind of froze
20:12
whoa this is way
20:14
deeper way darker than what we were
20:17
prepared for we’re clicking a file on a
20:19
computer right
20:20
we don’t know what’s going to come up in
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terms of audio
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and
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i mean it’s dark
20:27
and then
20:28
playing it for you i forced brinton in
20:31
his front yard i’m like you got to hear
20:33
this man i was like you have to hear
20:35
this and he’s like
20:36
i don’t know is it bad and i was like oh
20:38
yeah yeah did he faint
20:41
he made it no he didn’t faint because he
20:43
lasted
20:44
what five seconds into the audio
20:47
and that was it you have to understand
20:49
where i come from my friday nights exist
20:51
where my wife is watching like how to
20:53
kill your husband on 2020 or dateline
20:56
and it’s like
20:58
what are you i can’t watch and she’s
21:00
enjoying it yes
21:02
at 3 a.m when i’m like
21:04
wide awake you know going i don’t know
21:06
why i’m wet awake and i’m fearful of my
21:08
for my life you know by the way his wife
21:10
is a sponsor of your show now i just got
21:12
a call earlier oh great that’s great
21:13
okay good i’m glad she followed through
21:15
with that no we’re making we’re making
21:17
light of certain things right i mean you
21:20
know i’ve got to think for you john
21:21
henry too
21:22
not having that the background of that
21:24
and and some of the stories that you’ve
21:26
written are the real high points of
21:28
athletes lives and things like that like
21:30
this these beautiful kind of like
21:33
putting these things together and then
21:35
you get to these types of subjects and
21:36
you’re like my goodness you know this is
21:38
a much different look at things yeah
21:41
well and
21:42
the the the audio that he’s talking
21:44
about um
21:46
it did give me pause uh because it was
21:49
so very powerful
21:51
um and so
21:53
my
21:54
journalists brain went straight to where
21:56
the ethics of this you know
21:59
should we
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what what is our responsibility
22:02
to our listeners and to our community at
22:05
large here in fort texas
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to
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um playing this
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and um
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uh
22:14
we all we talked about it
22:16
in depth and uh ultimately we we decided
22:20
it was uh so integral to the story
22:24
that you had to play it
22:26
um
22:27
and that and then ultimately it it
22:30
it
22:31
serves the purpose we’re trying to drive
22:33
which is uh
22:35
awareness
22:36
of domestic violence in this case
22:39
and and then hopefully the awareness of
22:41
it then action can be taken ultimately
22:43
sure
22:44
right will we be hearing about any of
22:46
the high profile cases over the years
22:48
like the colin davis or the is the
22:50
tatiana jefferson which the trial is
22:51
coming up here and uh this month does
22:54
that kind of stuff ring your guys bell
22:56
or does it go is it more obscure cases
22:58
or do we talk about anything that
23:00
uh is is
23:02
worthy in your minds so as we
23:04
as we kind of hash this out
23:06
you know the framework behind it we’re
23:08
we want to
23:09
more of our focus is going to be on the
23:11
crimes where the story has not been told
23:13
okay because some of those stories are
23:15
just as fascinating for whatever the
23:17
reason is whatever was in the news cycle
23:19
at the time it didn’t get the coverage
23:21
and not everybody knows about it
23:23
when you look at them
23:25
when you look at the facts as a whole
23:28
you know what many of them are are very
23:30
similar so like i said we’re going to
23:32
focus on the ones that have not
23:33
necessarily been told perhaps there will
23:35
be a time where we do one of the high
23:37
profile ones
23:38
unfortunately um we have a
23:42
notebook chocked full of stories that
23:44
haven’t been told already so
23:47
and i say unfortunately because again i
23:49
mean it’s it’s a dark subject there’s no
23:50
doubt about it and i think uh jw2 and
23:53
and reverend
23:54
and as it concerns your question um
23:57
you know we haven’t we have various
23:59
platforms to tell stories where we’ll
24:00
have an online presence to
24:02
that we’ll blog and i would imagine some
24:04
of those instances it probably will be
24:06
more current events right i know we do
24:09
we’re very excited how often will we see
24:11
your podcast drop so our goal is
24:14
dropping every thursday every thursday
24:17
once a week yep wow that’s a tall order
24:19
and you’ll have some like one story
24:21
that’ll be a couple parts right yeah
24:23
maybe i think you kind of break them up
24:25
the vast majority are they’re in depth
24:28
so they’re certainly going to be
24:29
multiple parts to each one two three
24:31
four five it just depends on the story
24:34
you know what day yet you’re dropping is
24:35
there a particular day of the week or
24:37
we do may 19th may 19th beautiful okay
24:41
so may 19th signal 51 chronicles
24:44
uh where can they find it it’s going to
24:46
be on all of the podcast platforms um we
24:50
are going to have our we’ll announce all
24:51
of our website social media sites
24:54
uh coming up roxanne media house
24:56
obviously we’ll house you guys
24:58
absolutely absolutely talk about you
24:59
guys a lot well
25:01
i for one i cannot wait because i know a
25:04
little bit of i’ve talked to you guys
25:05
but some of this is fascinating stuff
25:07
and it’s
25:08
it’s it’s in there like you said it’s
25:09
heavy yeah but when you know when you
25:11
know the story without all the details
25:13
it does make it a lot more real when you
25:15
hear some of the things that you guys
25:16
are going to share so yeah really
25:18
appreciate you guys and we’re excited
25:19
for this yeah thank you guys for being
25:21
here happy heck to be here thank you
25:23
guys thanks for cap tech bank we
25:25
appreciate you guys making this whole
25:26
thing real for us john henry jake white
25:29
sigma 51 chronicles see you guys
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Transcript
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uh
0:17
welcome back to fortitude everyone
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brinton payne jw wilson welcome to the
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captex bank studio
0:25
we are fortitude a studio for the ages
0:27
studio for the ages indeed one still
0:29
under construction what does that mean
0:30
even i don’t know
0:33
enlighten us please no idea okay you’ve
0:35
been watching that johnny depp trial i
0:37
have not
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it is
0:39
pure
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bliss it is the funniest thing i’ve ever
0:42
seen in my life and a friend of mine and
0:44
i were talking about it was like
0:46
because we are going to talk about crime
0:47
and they’re in a court i don’t know if
0:49
it’s a court crime or whatever but it’s
0:51
probably civil court but uh court of
0:53
crime they don’t even have that criminal
0:55
court um
0:57
you know it’s like what is the what’s
0:59
the point in all the media coverage of
1:01
this trial
1:03
is there some type of like public
1:05
um
1:07
spectacle yeah i mean it’s just it’s for
1:09
advertising i guess you know okay back
1:12
to it are you sure yep whenever you’re
1:14
ready sir already so today bp
1:17
these two cats uh are gonna uh
1:20
introduce something new to the to the
1:21
rockstar media house but before we get
1:24
into that we’re going to introduce each
1:25
of them individually okay to my left
1:27
this guy named john henry john henry is
1:29
the executive editor for fort worth inc
1:31
and he’s a writer for texas magazine did
1:33
i get that right fourth magazine yeah
1:36
magazine all right the applause yeah
1:38
there it is of course you’re receiving
1:39
absolutely so you’ve done a lot of
1:40
really cool stuff in your in your uh
1:43
literary career uh tell us a little
1:45
about yourself john before we get into
1:46
why you two are hanging out with us
1:48
today well i am a
1:50
footwork native born and bred down at
1:53
harris hospital which probably everybody
1:54
else who’s ever been born in fort worth
1:56
texas is
1:58
uh there were probably some home births
2:01
at some point i don’t think everyone
2:03
bathtubs and stuff yeah let’s get you
2:06
down henry keep going
2:08
anyway uh
2:10
what’s school here what’s school at
2:11
texas tech i know that’s probably not
2:13
the best thing for it’s quite okay yeah
2:15
that’s good yes that’s good
2:18
from high school how it’s nolan catholic
2:20
very good
2:22
yeah basketball team i was on a
2:24
basketball team did they have a good one
2:25
then
2:26
yes yes
2:28
back to back uh state runner-ups
2:31
runners-up i remember around that era
2:33
that’s what nolan was really good um
2:36
they hadn’t really hit the football i
2:38
don’t think i mean was did you play no
2:40
one
2:41
from tvs
2:43
did you play them we did in high school
2:44
we did were they good yes okay i didn’t
2:47
know if they had like
2:48
risen as much i do remember the
2:50
basketball in my in my four years uh we
2:53
won four games
2:55
i wouldn’t call that success though out
2:57
of uh how many they played 10 they
2:59
played 10 every year
3:01
oh yeah 10 i think so that’s not a very
3:03
so john so john henry i must digress a
3:06
little bit real quick when so you were
3:08
growing up in fort worth nolan high
3:10
school when did writing become something
3:12
you were interested in
3:13
uh
3:14
probably when i was in college i was a
3:17
history major and did a ton of writing
3:20
okay
3:21
and uh discovered i really
3:24
really loved it
3:25
and uh so i decided you know i’m gonna
3:29
try to do this newspaper career when i
3:30
got out of school
3:32
which is what i did i started i was kind
3:34
of an editor at star telegram and
3:37
editor and writer and then i
3:39
did more editing than i did more writing
3:41
and then when
3:43
i left there the first time
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3:47
i was the sunday editor
3:49
in sports okay
3:51
and then uh i went back to wright
3:55
i was
3:56
rehired to cover the city of fort worth
3:58
for the star telegram and did that for a
4:00
couple of years
4:01
uh and then uh
4:03
went about went on my own again as a
4:05
freelancer and contractor
4:07
um
4:09
simply because i had more freedom to do
4:11
uh
4:11
projects
4:13
uh and then uh the great hal brown
4:15
called me up and uh asked me about this
4:17
job with fourth inc which i’ve been
4:19
there since uh last fall okay what were
4:21
the like some of those freelance
4:23
projects you covered in the city of fort
4:24
worth and then what other stuff would
4:25
you kind of
4:27
you shoot uh my my favorite project is
4:30
uh was religion
4:32
um well the what was a religion project
4:34
it was uh
4:37
pope benedict
4:38
the pope you might be familiar with at
4:40
some point we’ve heard of him yes yes
4:42
uh
4:43
he created this uh he’s coming up next
4:45
john
4:46
let’s stay on task getting up the stairs
4:50
uh his vehicle he’s got the
4:53
double decker cool will you make sure
4:54
the pope has a water yes and that his
4:57
vehicle is charged or gassed up but
4:59
anyway uh there was a chism within the
5:01
episcopalian anglican church and he
5:03
created this pathway
5:05
for anglican church anglian churches to
5:09
come into the catholic church
5:11
now the significance of that is that
5:13
you know you’re kind of yawning right
5:14
now i can tell but no i’m you’re using
5:16
these words like like
5:19
only a writer could interject that at
5:21
the perfect moment but the significance
5:23
of this is that it was the most
5:25
comprehensive step to reunification
5:28
since martin luther
5:30
in
5:31
15
5:32
whatever that was 15 49 or 94 or
5:34
whatever 400 something years yeah
5:37
so uh
5:38
there was this whole process and of
5:40
course the the uh the center of this
5:44
was in fort worth texas
5:46
because of
5:47
uh of uh
5:49
icar
5:50
bishop bikers
5:52
split
5:54
um
5:55
here for texas and so it was
5:58
ground zero was right here so that’s why
6:00
we got to do it
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oh that’s great so what did it get
6:03
published in
6:04
uh the catholic news service in dc
6:08
uh
6:09
the uh north texas catholic here yeah
6:12
are you catholic i am yeah so it was
6:15
was it hard to be unbiased in it no
6:19
no i’ve never had that problem yeah
6:22
people think they know who i am
6:23
politically but it’s like you know
6:24
listen the door opens and the door
6:26
closes
6:27
yeah you’re professional ultimately
6:29
you’re not a
6:30
republican or democrat i can’t say that
6:32
for everybody but yep right yeah john
6:34
henry what’s the life like of a person
6:36
in your in your profession what are you
6:38
are you always on in on the hunt for
6:39
something to write about is it does this
6:41
come to you what’s always sniffing for a
6:43
story yeah always got her always got a
6:45
nose out a lot of people think that
6:47
happens at the bar and sometimes it does
6:49
but
6:50
but uh no always looking for a good
6:52
story storytellers storytelling is
6:55
ultimately what the job is i’m guessing
6:57
that’s what led you to the gentleman to
6:59
your left exactly so what’s sniffing
7:01
around a bar yes that that among other
7:03
things yes correct
7:05
welcome to show your your partner your
7:07
new partner mr uh retired sergeant jake
7:10
white of the fourth police department
7:12
welcome jake thank you you’ve been on
7:13
the show before which who had lots of
7:16
success with your show it was
7:17
fascinating some of the stuff you’ve
7:18
dealt with in your in your life
7:20
tell us a little bit about that and then
7:22
how the two of you guys found each other
7:24
i’m following up the pope story so this
7:27
is going to pale in comparison you
7:29
catholic too no i’m not
7:31
thanks for asking now i was going to see
7:32
if there’s a biased article it’s going
7:34
to just no good
7:37
no so i retired in uh earlier this year
7:40
beginning of 2022. you don’t seem old
7:43
enough to be retiring jake yeah i left a
7:45
little early it was just time to go
7:47
right ready ready to move on
7:49
to like how old were you this rookie cop
7:51
uh
7:52
2022. yeah yeah
7:55
that’s a young man grew up doing it i
7:57
guess
7:58
i don’t know that i really grew up but
8:00
yeah i was young when i started yes
8:03
so and you needed the money
8:05
and i needed the money that’s correct i
8:07
think i went down the wrong road but
8:08
whatever
8:09
uh so yeah john and i uh
8:12
got together and we’re going to announce
8:14
our little project coming up how did you
8:16
guys meet first so
8:18
literally at the bar
8:20
that’s not a joke did did he buy you a
8:22
drink did you buy a drink i say
8:25
it was over a shot of crystal light okay
8:27
the drink crystal meth the crystal light
8:30
okay the flavor enhancer if you will
8:32
okay you didn’t turn to your wife and
8:33
say i believe that’s the guy who wrote
8:36
that piece on the pope and the fort
8:38
worth
8:42
was he on the bar talking about the pope
8:44
story and how everybody should be
8:45
reading this yeah he has legend a
8:48
legendary joke we’re not going to get
8:49
into it here but he does have a
8:52
legendary joke
8:53
but no he wasn’t it was over a shot of
8:55
crystal light to
8:57
flavor my
8:58
beverage if you will and okay
9:00
so one thing led to another
9:02
we start talking and we start talking
9:04
about this crime stuff and come up with
9:06
an idea and here we are the idea
9:10
signal 51 chronicles yep what is signal
9:13
51 chronicles so signal 51 chronicles is
9:16
a true crime podcast about crimes in and
9:19
around fort worth outstanding
9:23
there it is that’s a little late but
9:25
better late than never
9:27
thank you for that edition brinton yes
9:29
you’re welcome our lives are now richer
9:31
did were we already doing i mean not
9:34
like
9:34
i i knew you at the time when you guys
9:36
had first met had we already been doing
9:39
ours or you guys it was like before then
9:42
and then you
9:43
no i think you guys had already started
9:45
yeah yeah and then i because i know that
9:47
you had mentioned that before had you
9:49
ever had an intro did you ever write
9:50
crime stories i’ve criminal courts i’ve
9:52
done criminal courts okay yeah not um
9:55
crime court i think i was believed was
9:57
without court of crime i believe
9:59
yeah a court of crime court of crime
10:02
yeah
10:04
uh so you did i did some court of crime
10:07
yes yes and um did you enjoy that kind
10:09
of writing because a lot of your stuff
10:11
is it is based on
10:12
just one individual it seems like or
10:16
you know generally and so
10:18
um
10:19
that was something that you’d like i
10:21
loved it i loved it uh clearly audiences
10:24
love it i think you know i think so too
10:26
and uh
10:27
you know it’s kind of in addition to the
10:29
examination of the crime itself there’s
10:31
also the examination of the human
10:33
condition and what leads
10:35
perpetrators to
10:37
to get in the position where they are to
10:39
commit these crimes yep yeah like
10:40
there’s a lesson
10:42
for society as a whole yeah so and yeah
10:46
and you probably got a little bit of
10:48
that uh life lesson going and coming
10:50
from your background right yeah yeah
10:53
yeah definitely and i think that’s one
10:54
of the cool things about what we’re
10:55
doing is getting
10:57
you know getting john’s perspective on
10:59
things right and being able to tell that
11:01
story i mean it’s easy to get up and
11:03
talk about you know whatever crime
11:05
whatever story you want to
11:06
but composing it
11:08
you know it’s interesting seeing his
11:10
take on it and how it’s composed and
11:13
you know it all you know it looks
11:15
different on paper if you will like when
11:17
we write things out right
11:19
but when you tell it i mean
11:20
they’re great yeah brinton’s right there
11:22
is a huge thirst in the world for crime
11:25
podcast in general and now you guys are
11:27
doing one that’s fort worth centered for
11:29
metroplex centered any of the crimes you
11:31
know you’re talking about involved you
11:33
ever are you yeah so we’ve got uh we’ve
11:36
got the first three uh we obviously got
11:38
the first one done
11:40
uh one of the ones that we’re going to
11:42
do is a case that i worked um
11:44
and you know with it being a true crime
11:46
podcast a lot of times people think it’s
11:48
just a murder podcast right well that’s
11:50
not what this one’s going to be
11:51
obviously there are going to be some
11:53
that involve murders but we’ve also got
11:55
ones that involve um
11:57
drug conspiracies overdose deaths things
11:59
like that
12:00
serial criminals if you will
12:03
interns on the tcu campus that might
12:05
have gotten picked up for
12:07
some misdemeanor nothing like that no
12:10
nothing okay
12:11
um
12:12
what is the first the first one you
12:14
mentioned can we tell we talk we tell
12:16
the the story or tell the uh the crime
12:18
that was committed or at least the story
12:20
so i think the
12:22
overall it’s going to be a
12:25
domestic related
12:27
it’s a it’s about a uh a high-profile
12:31
individual in fort worth who takes on a
12:33
younger paramour and it ends in uh
12:36
tragedy okay
12:38
will we get everything from beginning to
12:40
finish how it ends how the crime was
12:43
ultimately saw the whole the whole nine
12:45
yards you will yeah now we’ll we’ll
12:46
we’re going to step into the
12:48
interrogation room on this on this
12:50
particular case and uh
12:52
and uh see the detective wear this guy
12:56
down
12:57
uh the perpetrator the alleged
12:59
perpetrator
13:00
and uh i think i think uh you and the
13:03
the audience at large will be fascinated
13:05
by it i can’t wait to hear it
13:09
what’s been kind of the biggest thing
13:10
that you guys have discovered about
13:12
either working together and doing this
13:15
or
13:16
let me back up let me ask a question
13:17
first what was the intent of getting
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together and doing this um like there’s
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got to be something more than just
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retelling a story of crime like is there
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something uh that kind of you all said
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we could do it and we could do it
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differently by
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i think there was i think there’s two
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things that we looked at one we want to
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tell the stories that aren’t always told
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here
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right some so many of the crimes that we
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discussed
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they may have been a quick you know
13:43
blurb in the newspaper on the news or
13:44
something like that but those are the
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ones that we’re going to dive into the
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first point the second point we’re also
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highlighting the fact
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and we want to incorporate resources
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involved in it because ultimately
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you know when you look at when you look
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at a criminal act criminal behavior
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whether it be through a drug addiction
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or some kind of you know domestic
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related domestic violence related case
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something like that there are resources
14:08
available and we also want to have we we
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want to
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make that avenue available to people and
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make them recognize that they’re likely
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not the only one in that position right
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so that’s
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you know i think ultimately those were
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the two primary goals that we looked at
14:22
was you know just simply
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you know giving back in a different way
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you know whether you know if that’s
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offering resources or at least linking
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people up with resources will you be
14:30
sharing your sergeant hat thoughts on
14:32
these crimes and how you one might see
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them through the lens of a police
14:37
sergeant or is are you just strictly
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being a storyteller if that’s a no so
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that that’s a that’s an interesting
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question you bring up because when we
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look at these it’s difficult you know
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after 22 years
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that’s really the only hat i have when
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it comes to crime right yeah so it’s a
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different you know i don’t want to say
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that you know we try to be neutral
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clearly but you know i mean i’m going
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i’m going to look at it through the cop
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lens there’s no doubt about it and
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that’s one of the things that we talk
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about and one of the things that we
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discuss and kind of
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you know um
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frame it in in the sense that
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you know this is why the detectives are
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taking this step or this is you know
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potentially why this happened or how the
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police responded et cetera
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and i think that really does
15:18
brinton you ask what sets it apart i
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think that’s really one of the things
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that sets it apart is
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we have here an officer of
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you know more than 20 years
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who has a base of knowledge through
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training and experience
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and he’s able to share that perspective
15:34
on these crimes through that base of
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knowledge
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and of course it’ll be even more
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fascinating when we get into the cases
15:42
that he’s that he’s worked
15:45
to to step to step in those shoes as an
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officer well and if you think about i
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mean jake worked in the drug you know
15:52
arena and i had heard this and you
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always hear this many times from police
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is that
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i mean drugs run it you know i mean it’s
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kind of the genesis for almost all crime
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that i mean that there there’s a
16:05
component that it made absolutely i mean
16:08
i think you know i i don’t want to
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attach a percentage to it in regards to
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you know x number percent of crimes
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caused by it but it’s it’s huge it’s
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significant
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um you know and it goes to show that
16:20
what we’re doing now society doesn’t
16:22
work all right there’s got to be a
16:24
different solution i would suspect
16:26
um what that is i don’t know i don’t
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know that i’d be sitting here if i did
16:29
have the answer to that but yeah i mean
16:31
100 that’s the cause of you know when
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you look at
16:34
the murder rate in fort worth right now
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through the roof high higher than we’ve
16:38
seen it in the last 30 years
16:41
i would suspect and what some of the
16:43
things that i know
16:45
that the vast majority of them
16:47
are drug deal’s gone wrong or there’s
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some kind of nexus to that drug world or
16:52
gang world which they’re so closely
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uh
16:56
intertwined it’s hard to separate so
16:58
yeah john henry why do you think people
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are so ravenous about crime and wanting
17:02
to know like you’ve heard of the dirty
17:04
john which became a podcast it became a
17:07
series and then dr death the guy in
17:09
dallas that was performing fraudulent
17:12
surgeries on people multiple people and
17:14
that now that’s a big deal
17:16
why are people so ravenous about pot
17:18
crime podcasts i think it’s because
17:20
we relate
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to in some way we relate to these cases
17:26
um just because we’re all here we’re all
17:29
part of this community we call earth we
17:32
call fort worth
17:33
um
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and
17:35
and we’re we all have these human
17:37
conditions and i think we a lot of us
17:39
look at these cases and go you know
17:41
there but by the grace of god go i you
17:43
know this i could have either run into
17:44
this person or i could be the
17:46
perpetrator if something
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doesn’t go right right
17:51
i guess maybe from listening to you over
17:53
a year the years were all you know just
17:55
the wrong circumstances from being
17:56
involved in something unfortunately
17:58
right you know god forbid that happens
17:59
any of us but if you’re in the wrong
18:01
place the right time it does it doesn’t
18:02
matter if you’re doing the right thing
18:03
you just might be unlucky and then
18:05
unfortunately these things happen from
18:07
every everyday perspective exactly yeah
18:09
well from what you guys do in this first
18:11
one do you think we’re as a society
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closer to those moments than we’ve ever
18:17
been before and that’s part of the
18:19
fascination is that um
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that
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we’re we’re kind of gravitating towards
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that uh
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a little bit well i don’t i don’t know
18:28
but i i know that there’s also this
18:30
human instinct to fight or flight and so
18:31
we put ourselves we put ourselves in the
18:34
middle of these stories and
18:35
we
18:37
almost have to make a decision while
18:38
we’re watching or listening this
18:40
fight or flight you know yeah you come
18:43
it’s very instinctive you know that came
18:44
up um
18:45
when we’ve talked about this first one
18:47
and stuff is just
18:48
it’s crazy how many decisions you make
18:50
when you’re looking at that phone on
18:52
nobody is saying you need to listen to
18:54
this right like no one is
18:56
you know got i hate to use this analogy
18:58
but gun to your head saying you’ve got
19:00
to listen there’s that decision to delve
19:02
deeper and and do that and i don’t think
19:05
anyone is really measuring those
19:08
decisions you know in in in what we’re
19:10
doing with that i mean it’s a very
19:12
curious thing and where i think
19:13
everyone’s very becomes more and more
19:15
curious but i also think that some of
19:17
the subjects that we’re exploring are
19:19
they’re dark you know and uh they’re
19:22
they’re very heavy uh and have you guys
19:24
thought about
19:26
obviously you’re pretty callous towards
19:27
it but i don’t know about you john let
19:29
me managing some of that because you’re
19:31
gonna see parts of humanity that maybe
19:33
aren’t aren’t the prettiest and i know i
19:35
i will say i think there was i saw two
19:38
interesting things happen on this first
19:39
one that we did there’s going to be a
19:41
part of it uh that’s graphic
19:44
and getting to see your reaction and
19:46
your reaction john and i
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uh
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did you tell them about mine i asked you
19:51
not to tell him about mine no i didn’t
19:53
i’m going i’m about to tell him about
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yourself okay i’ll tell everybody about
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it yeah so
19:59
watching watching john’s reaction
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because we’re we’re going through this
20:03
case at the same time together and this
20:05
graphic part yeah
20:07
i mean
20:08
yeah i think it’s safe to say we both
20:10
kind of froze
20:12
whoa this is way
20:14
deeper way darker than what we were
20:17
prepared for we’re clicking a file on a
20:19
computer right
20:20
we don’t know what’s going to come up in
20:22
terms of audio
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and
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i mean it’s dark
20:27
and then
20:28
playing it for you i forced brinton in
20:31
his front yard i’m like you got to hear
20:33
this man i was like you have to hear
20:35
this and he’s like
20:36
i don’t know is it bad and i was like oh
20:38
yeah yeah did he faint
20:41
he made it no he didn’t faint because he
20:43
lasted
20:44
what five seconds into the audio
20:47
and that was it you have to understand
20:49
where i come from my friday nights exist
20:51
where my wife is watching like how to
20:53
kill your husband on 2020 or dateline
20:56
and it’s like
20:58
what are you i can’t watch and she’s
21:00
enjoying it yes
21:02
at 3 a.m when i’m like
21:04
wide awake you know going i don’t know
21:06
why i’m wet awake and i’m fearful of my
21:08
for my life you know by the way his wife
21:10
is a sponsor of your show now i just got
21:12
a call earlier oh great that’s great
21:13
okay good i’m glad she followed through
21:15
with that no we’re making we’re making
21:17
light of certain things right i mean you
21:20
know i’ve got to think for you john
21:21
henry too
21:22
not having that the background of that
21:24
and and some of the stories that you’ve
21:26
written are the real high points of
21:28
athletes lives and things like that like
21:30
this these beautiful kind of like
21:33
putting these things together and then
21:35
you get to these types of subjects and
21:36
you’re like my goodness you know this is
21:38
a much different look at things yeah
21:41
well and
21:42
the the the audio that he’s talking
21:44
about um
21:46
it did give me pause uh because it was
21:49
so very powerful
21:51
um and so
21:53
my
21:54
journalists brain went straight to where
21:56
the ethics of this you know
21:59
should we
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what what is our responsibility
22:02
to our listeners and to our community at
22:05
large here in fort texas
22:08
to
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um playing this
22:10
and um
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uh
22:14
we all we talked about it
22:16
in depth and uh ultimately we we decided
22:20
it was uh so integral to the story
22:24
that you had to play it
22:26
um
22:27
and that and then ultimately it it
22:30
it
22:31
serves the purpose we’re trying to drive
22:33
which is uh
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awareness
22:36
of domestic violence in this case
22:39
and and then hopefully the awareness of
22:41
it then action can be taken ultimately
22:43
sure
22:44
right will we be hearing about any of
22:46
the high profile cases over the years
22:48
like the colin davis or the is the
22:50
tatiana jefferson which the trial is
22:51
coming up here and uh this month does
22:54
that kind of stuff ring your guys bell
22:56
or does it go is it more obscure cases
22:58
or do we talk about anything that
23:00
uh is is
23:02
worthy in your minds so as we
23:04
as we kind of hash this out
23:06
you know the framework behind it we’re
23:08
we want to
23:09
more of our focus is going to be on the
23:11
crimes where the story has not been told
23:13
okay because some of those stories are
23:15
just as fascinating for whatever the
23:17
reason is whatever was in the news cycle
23:19
at the time it didn’t get the coverage
23:21
and not everybody knows about it
23:23
when you look at them
23:25
when you look at the facts as a whole
23:28
you know what many of them are are very
23:30
similar so like i said we’re going to
23:32
focus on the ones that have not
23:33
necessarily been told perhaps there will
23:35
be a time where we do one of the high
23:37
profile ones
23:38
unfortunately um we have a
23:42
notebook chocked full of stories that
23:44
haven’t been told already so
23:47
and i say unfortunately because again i
23:49
mean it’s it’s a dark subject there’s no
23:50
doubt about it and i think uh jw2 and
23:53
and reverend
23:54
and as it concerns your question um
23:57
you know we haven’t we have various
23:59
platforms to tell stories where we’ll
24:00
have an online presence to
24:02
that we’ll blog and i would imagine some
24:04
of those instances it probably will be
24:06
more current events right i know we do
24:09
we’re very excited how often will we see
24:11
your podcast drop so our goal is
24:14
dropping every thursday every thursday
24:17
once a week yep wow that’s a tall order
24:19
and you’ll have some like one story
24:21
that’ll be a couple parts right yeah
24:23
maybe i think you kind of break them up
24:25
the vast majority are they’re in depth
24:28
so they’re certainly going to be
24:29
multiple parts to each one two three
24:31
four five it just depends on the story
24:34
you know what day yet you’re dropping is
24:35
there a particular day of the week or
24:37
we do may 19th may 19th beautiful okay
24:41
so may 19th signal 51 chronicles
24:44
uh where can they find it it’s going to
24:46
be on all of the podcast platforms um we
24:50
are going to have our we’ll announce all
24:51
of our website social media sites
24:54
uh coming up roxanne media house
24:56
obviously we’ll house you guys
24:58
absolutely absolutely talk about you
24:59
guys a lot well
25:01
i for one i cannot wait because i know a
25:04
little bit of i’ve talked to you guys
25:05
but some of this is fascinating stuff
25:07
and it’s
25:08
it’s it’s in there like you said it’s
25:09
heavy yeah but when you know when you
25:11
know the story without all the details
25:13
it does make it a lot more real when you
25:15
hear some of the things that you guys
25:16
are going to share so yeah really
25:18
appreciate you guys and we’re excited
25:19
for this yeah thank you guys for being
25:21
here happy heck to be here thank you
25:23
guys thanks for cap tech bank we
25:25
appreciate you guys making this whole
25:26
thing real for us john henry jake white
25:29
signal 51 chronicles see you guys
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