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Victoria Wise

Tanglewood Moms

Victoria Wise, founder of Tanglewood Moms, joins FORTitude this week. She talks to Brinton and JW about her life as a serial entrepreneur and how that led to her developing and growing this group into what it is today. She’s led a full and fascinating life and it was a blast getting to know her better. 

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So welcome back with those eyes and ears and the people that are interested in podcasts, we are fortitude. I have some good news and I have some bad news. The bad news is my regular partner Brinton Payne has been stricken with a COVID-19 virus. He’s in court he’s currently in quarantine is is like leaving a scene reminiscent of the beautiful mind. You might have seen that one guess he complains incessantly and probably talks to himself all day long. He’s gonna survive though he will return to the for to desk next week. Hopefully. The good news is that we have scoured the planet interviewed hundreds of people scrutinize each one. And finally drug tested the finalist in one man made it through the fortitude interview process. his resume lists many accomplishments including hosting a wide variety of popular morning shows in shows not just morning, but currently at WBAP along with acting as the play by play announcer for the TCU Horned Frogs. We have not been able to verify all this as our research department is out with COVID so but he does sound legit. So welcome to the show. Mr. Brian Estridge



Have you been able to confirm has Brinton  grown any more hair since COVID?



So likely he’s lost some pigment to his skin and more hair. Why? I know it’s difficult but I will tell Casper I hope he feels better. I will tell him by the way congrats on 30 years in broadcasting. Well done. Yes sir. A little little guy from Kershaw South Carolina.



No longer little guy.



Nice. Nice, nice work. Before we get to our guests, Brian, I want to make couple mentions of some noteworthy news stories. The Texas Wesleyan football program I don’t know if you follow those guys but they are on a roll joke coach Joe crudo they defeated number 15 ranked Arizona Cardinal or Arizona Christian Firestorm recently. They’re ranked 15th in the country at the time but their job rooms program at Wesleyan is doing really well. They’re undefeated.



You talk about a guy gets a lot done without a lot Oh Lord,



these poor guys these four guys no locker room, no practice to speak of. They play a different field for home games. So they have a much higher uphill challenge in say the TCU Horned Frogs Brady well, so the TCU at Horned Frog, corn frog, a soccer team. They’d had the first defeat last night Today is September 16. They had a lot of their first defeat to Pepperdine. One zero last night. They’re ranked number fifth in the nation prior to that so they’re still doing quite well. But their first loss comes comes last night. Today’s the 17th 17th so let’s put that lesser to yesterday at the 16th does that math? Check out with you gotcha. The Horned Frog football team is obviously back in action we’re two games in undefeated some tests are coming up smees in a week so we’ll see about that. My co host Brian estridge you know he should be the voice of the frog right in here the game on web AP a billy BPA 20 right so don’t watch the game listen to the game there you go there you go. The Fourth Symphony Orchestra seasons back in session if you care for that such a thing sort of thing Please give him give him a listen they’re doing really good things over there. friend of the show Mr. Tim Walker tells me the state fair of Texas back in action on the state i



do live here in Texas



yes it’s a it’s a very interesting scary place to be sometimes I have to go see Tiny Tim the world’s smallest horse once a year right right. Did you go see Eric Clapton last week in concert in the state for Texas Oh, it Dickies. Oh



no, I



did not know. Yeah, so yeah, we moved on from from the state. We’re not getting on to bigger things. Was it was it a good show? I don’t know. I just wish I’d have been there. I could imagine it wasn’t bad guys. Incredible. Yeah, we lost a comedian norm comedic norm McDonald’s last last week. So that was kind of a sad we had a nine year private cancer battle that no one really knew about is a



great joke about a moth going to see a doctor. Okay, so long have you ever heard this joke? It’s a long joke. It’s like four minutes long. And the guy’s going through all the things that are ailing him and think the moth is talking to the doctor. And finally the the doctor says, Well, why did you come see me in the mall says the light was on.



Fantastic. And you know why he’s sitting in this chair folks. A little shout out to my partner son Pearson pain had a little procedure. A few days ago you get well soon pal. And lastly, Brian we lost it was a bit of a icon in town Ed show Meyer passed away yesterday. That September 16th. He was the president of CEO or CEO and CEO of icon labs for 25 years. And he was about one of the most passionate basketball fans that TCU ever had for over 50 years. You know, his story.



His background, not not particularly well gonna get a little bit of this wrong. So allow me some freedom here. But orphaned at the age of 10. I grew up grew up in an orphanage, went to the University of Cincinnati played three sports was a great athlete. Graduated from Cincinnati the day that he walked across the stage the president since And he said, so what are you going to do now? strohmeyer he said I’m going to Harvard. And he did. He went to Harvard his first job out of Harvard was at Al Khan and he worked himself up to CEO Wow, from the from the ground up took about a self made man. Pretty amazing in a very philanthropic giving individual Yes.



Or the city of Fort Worth in the community of TCU sad to learn of his passing yesterday. So thanks, Ed, for all your did for the city and school. So speaking of good great people, we have one with us today Brian? Lee by name of Victoria wise. she’d done some cool stuff you ready to get in her story?



I wonder if it’s making Victoria as uncomfortable as it’s making me that the chair that I’m sitting is slowly moving down.



I have some jokes in there but I think I’ll refrain because I don’t want you to get out of this on purpose. I didn’t know such thing. That might be the special chair. Yes,



it might I’m gonna stand out legit cut it my right right. Well, Victoria,



sorry. If you had it. You had to endure that long introduction. But thank you very much for being here. We’re honored to have you in studio with us today.



So for having me This is exciting. So Victoria



is a the epitome of entrepreneur, Brian, she is done lots of things. And we’re going to talk about some of these things. She’s First off, she’s well traveled, she’s been to 25 countries is that there’s more than 25. Now, hopefully a few more more than that. It’s considerably more than most folks. You have four children, correct. Do How old are these kids nowadays,



I have a 14 year old boy, a 12 year old girl and twin boys that are 10. So I had a three and a half year old 18 month old and twin newborns and it’s not a recommended birth.



Well, well done. Well done for that for sure. So I didn’t do that alone. Brian’s fixing his chair, go ahead. Let’s just keep talking. Okay, well, we can talk about Victoria’s accomplishments, before we get to the major issues that she’s accomplished. She’s one of the most influential people in Fort Worth by the fourth Inc, three years running. That’s a big deal. She started in 2011. And if I’m getting this correctly, please stop me but she started the jewelry jewelry nut auction, as well as Tanglewood mom’s at the same time basically, right? I did. One of them the Julie nut auction. They actually she sold not too long after forming it because it reached a certain level a million and a half of sales and somebody came knocking and you made the the economic decision to sell it. Then tanglin moms caught fire a few years later. Brian Do you use tangle with Mom, I do as a search engine. It is yes, that’s the beauty of this whole matter is Tanglewood moms is a lot of things to a lot of people, but let’s just call it what really it’s a search engine for people that want to things. Almost anything you could imagine. People go there for about every issue they could ever have. And then even negative positive all everything that that covers, which is incredible. So let’s talk let’s start there. Tanglewood moms,



I was just at lunch today with someone who was looking to join us as a sponsor, but they mentioned that it’s breaking news in Tanglewood Moms, we have 20,000 members, and people are on the ground. They know what’s going on before it’s on the news before certainly before it’s in any newspaper. And that’s where the reporters are, they’re getting information from our members. So I mean, it’s really you say it’s search, but it’s also like, as it’s happening, how do



you I guess for lack of a better word, edit it like how you’re you know, I’m saying are do you are is an all organic to the point where you say, you know what, this is part of the community, we just we just let it happen.



Yeah. So there’s a little bit of things to know before, you know, people are like, Who’s Victoria? What’s Tanglewood moms, you know, I’m not a mom, you mentioned searching and knowing about it. But number one, you don’t have to live in Tanglewood. Number two, you don’t have to be a mom, it’s open to women in Fort Worth. And so that is the group, the Facebook group 20,000 members, we have a public Facebook page and then we have a website by the same name. And so you can use you know, these three different channels. But as far as moderating I, there are certain rules, we have 10 rules, and some of them are when something becomes a hot button topic, we just say you can’t talk about this here. And we rely on our members a lot of times to flag those comments and we just hit delete and say, You know what, we’re These are your neighbors. This is supposed to be a helpful community. We really want this to be a positive, uplifting space. There’s plenty of places on the internet to go and you know, air your grievances. It’s just not going to be here.



How often do you ever run into problems? Like I’m sure I’m sure the masks and the pandemic had plenty of those types of generic scenarios or tests? Is this a regular occurrence nowadays that you’ve gotten to be so big?



So I mean, maybe weekly, or a couple times a month, it’s not every day, and usually it’s people start policing each other and regulates itself and so it’s a little, it can be unwieldy, but I think people get it and so yeah, it’s not a huge problem.



If It’s a fair question what’s the craziest thing that’s happened on Tanglewood moms you’re familiar with



I think everybody knows there’s a hashtag yeah that’s all I can say



Okay, fair enough.



But there’s been so many positives to come out of it I mean there’s got to be there’s got to be one or two stories were taken with moms has made a difference right? Like any of those stand out



yeah for sure. One reason someone told me about they said you know, somebody bought somebody a house there was a person in need someone purchased somebody a house because of single moms. So that’s where I have to look at like yeah, there’s all these crazy things that happen and that you know that drama there as my lawyer would also say, is part of the fun of being a part of it you know, you get to see all the drama, but I have to think that these positive things that happen in the group outweighs you know, the kind of bickering or silliness that may happen so yeah, somebody’s buying somebody’s house isn’t one thing I mean, there’s certainly a lot of nonprofits that are a part of it and last year was hit them hard and so we were a great place to to for those people to be seen



how do you overcome the the thinking that someone says oh, that’s just gossip? I’m not going there just because it’s just gossip. How do you overcome that? Oh,



gosh, I’m more than that. It’s more like misinformation these days than gossip you know, if there’s somebody we certainly don’t allow any business bashing or individuals to be harmed in that way, but more it’s just like there’s just so much information out there on the internet and a lot of that gets shared and so then I have to be you know, the judge and jury and decide what stays and what goes



and one thing that’s really cool about Tango and moms is you and your staff almost except for one or two people are all female and that’s really a unique thing and part of your design correct?



Yes, and we did so the magazine public started publishing in 2017 the backup 2011 is when that Facebook group started as you mentioned 2015 is when the digital side started the website and how we started making it into a business and then in 2017 the magazine and so that’s when we really started paying attention to our writers and their backgrounds and their ethnicity and race and you know, just socio economic level we wanted to have a wide range of voices so that included male and female there are a few Braille writers in the group and Eddie brown Lyle Brooks my husband and I guess yeah the rest are all female



Oh, Brian mentioned something with you second ago that triggered a thought but all these people throwing out ideas at penguin moms all the time how does that monitored how do you how do people catch the bad and get rid of it quickly is are you looking at it all the time? How do you how do you how do you give it I think they do and several friends that mentioned that how do you how do you catch the bad before it gets out of hand?



I don’t always you know it’s not it’s not a perfect solution I might at some point hire someone to moderate it 24 seven but usually if it’s something that’s super out of hand I’m getting a text message from somebody rather than me having to open up Facebook and see that there’s something out of hand so yeah, sometimes things go for a little bit usually no more than an hour but you know,



it’s 20,000 members currently right right. What is the price of admission?



00 Yeah, that we monetize through sponsorships on our on our blog and magazine.



Has anyone ever changed your mind to charge membership No, no on an issue where you’ve said you know what, I’m taking that down that doesn’t need to be up there. And have they ever reached out and said hey, here’s here’s here’s my thinking on this or here’s my side of it or you know, here’s some information I’d like to share with you to where you’ve said you know what, I haven’t thought of it like that



Yeah, that’s a good question. I have that happen a lot because all here but really I get pinned into oh you’re politically this way because you would have reacted this way or at the same token the same argument I’m the opposite oh yeah to conservative so I couldn’t possibly be both on every issue I certainly think that I do kind of have ideas and values on both sides. But I definitely am you know, seem to be Oh, you’re handling this wrong or I wouldn’t have done it this way. But yeah, I would absolutely would listen to somebody side and see okay, I didn’t see it that way I can see how that might be



and then and then maybe saying it okay then you’re yeah that we can talk about that or that can be on here. Yeah.



Or even tell the story. You know, if it’s something that needs a wider audience to read, we it may be something that we publish.



When was the aha moment for you and tank with regard to take them on moms when you said you thought yourself I really have something here that’s catching fire and people are Going to going here and loving it did you have one of those moments?



So in 2011, I started a business called Georgia net auctions with a partner. And at the same time, we started the Facebook group. And people don’t know this, as an marketing play, you know, we knew that at some point, we would need to market our business locally, although it was sold nationally, the products were sold nationally, and initially invited, you know, friends in our neighborhood, but then that same day, we launched it, it was friends up in other neighborhoods wanting to join. And so that’s why that name is a little bit of a misnomer. And we allow anybody in that from 2011 to 2014. We were on a rocket ship with that business. And we were recognized by Facebook and put on their SMB Council, their inaugural year of it, they had it for five years. And so we helped Facebook develop ad products for other businesses. And so how we transact on Facebook today is we were one of three businesses testing that we’d already developed the tools ourselves, we’ve been transacting on Facebook for three years, and they wanted to know, how did you do it? You know, what tools does an individual, like a small business need to be able to sell on Facebook. And we built software, it was very costly endeavor. But the business was still doing well. We were ready to exit, we sold the company. And then in 2015, I soft launched one jewelry business that I ended up having to put away but I knew, as an entrepreneur, I didn’t want to have to take a job. I just needed to start something that was going to be able to, you know, make money right away. And I had 2300 members in this Tanglewood, mom’s Facebook group. And I just had the idea, launch your website and put together a marketing package for small business, I was also running as social media marketing boutique firm, just handling three different clients. One was a national client, one was regional client, one was a local client, and we were seeing great results for them using Facebook to manage their, their social media. And then 2015, you know, you talk to a business and they were like, Well, why do I need this, I can just hire my, like a college intern to do this. I don’t need this handled professionally. But some of them, you know, took us on and we were able to grow. So in 2008, I knew I needed to show myself as a positive example of how it works if somebody takes over your social media. And so I grew my own I grew the Instagram account to 10,000 as fast as I could. started an email campaign that goes out initially was once a week now it’s twice a week and the Facebook page to accompany the group so that it can be a public facing side.



So you obviously have developed a strategy a winning strategy that’s worked. Do other companies. I’m assuming other folks have come to you for advice on how to pull this off. Do you have any idea as to how many other businesses you’ve influenced?



Oh, a jewelry night, we were the first to launch in that vertical so it existed in children’s wear this type of comment selling but then when we launched with jewelry and accessories, and then clothing, we had our copycats. After month one Dallas one started popping up than other ones all over the country. And so we kind of started this trend of people getting online at seven or 8pm and shopping from their phone by hitting comment right by commenting sold in their email address or PayPal. So yeah, I know that that was certainly an influential business play like we saw people and knit like immediately copycat a little bit here locally, there was somebody that attempted to do exactly what we were doing and it didn’t work out for them. I think Tanglewood moms, I guess, because we had already had that traction in that brand wrecking, you know, recognition that this is where people chose to interact as a reader or audience member and then also for businesses to want to align with us because we did much like Angie’s List have this sort of seal of approval. If tanglin moms are using them, then I trust it.



Good job crushing out the local competition. Tell us how that works one day off for entrepreneurs, young entrepreneurs and even for female entrepreneurs. What kind of advice could you give people in that realm because you’ve had successes what do you what do you could what could you tell people to give them a little more encouragement?



You know, I think it’s something you’re sort of born with. You know, I started my first business in high school and that and in college was the first piece of jewelry you know, most of my career has been in jewelry. I designed and produced jewelry that I sold to the five state area through it was the fashion market and in Dallas. And then I went to work for a company and and learn design and sourcing that we had production in Asia. So I learned kind of the corporate side of it. And then I started a children’s wear line and then I started jewelry not so I’d had several hit, you know wins and losses and and really I guess the connecting thread is is marketing and trend spotting knowing what might work before things somebody else is doing it, you know, just doing it first really. So as far as advice you know, I think you kind of just need you have to have that a work ethic and not afraid to take risks. You just do it before you’re ready, do it before you’ve got the website, just launch it. And you know, your customers will find you you’ll know pretty quick if it works or not. You’re smiling



because you know, you’re getting advice for our fledgling podcast here. And like we don’t know what we’re doing half the time. But this is all good. Good to hear. So you’re



preaching to the choir? In other words, JW mentioned early on your travels, your worldly travels, what five continents, 30 countries, whatever it is, how much of that has been driven by work, or is it been driven by pleasure? And how much has it influenced your work?



I don’t think a lot of people know this, but I’m from South America. I was born there all my family’s from there. My grandfather was a German Jew that escaped before the war. So I don’t I’ve always been told, but you don’t look Ecuadorian. And I don’t. But I have a lot of, you know, family there and traveled there every other year to see them growing up. I grew up in Oklahoma, and my family just loves to travel. So they always took us places and



you’re like, Oh, okhla Dorian.



Really? Texas doesn’t claim me. I know. It’s like no, sorry. You’re from Oklahoma. No, but I um, I when I was 13, there was a organization called people to people out of Spokane, Washington, and they had people from our high school I was a freshman applied to be a candidate to go to the Soviet Union. It was it was the USSR at that time. That was 1989 so that was my first travel abroad without family it was a school trip. We got briefed in Washington DC what you can and can’t do. You know, when we got there, we certainly had our you know, KGB person there, following us to all the things. So that was that gave me a lot of independence knowing I could do that.



So this is 89. So this is this is post cold cold war.



Right. This is like part of quote like, I guess the wall



came down wall had come down after this is after ronald reagan right at night. Now the wall had not



come in, come down. Yeah, that happened in



1991 91.



So that’s okay. It was pretty every I mean, you there was, you know, the bread lines. And really, you could trade Levi’s jeans on the black market, stuff like that. That’s what I remember as a 13 year old. But it was gorgeous. It was beautiful. I knew I have always had the travel bug. And then in college, I went on Semester at Sea. So I think 13 of those countries were from that experience. And you were on a ship that goes around the world. And we were on the eastern trip,



Hunter folks, and you wait 13 to Russia, like if my 14 year old came to me and said, Hey, I’m gonna go to Russia free. I’m like,



No, you’re not Perhaps she’s not as kind and generous as she sent me. Yeah,



right. It wasn’t a whole year. It was just a month. Okay. It wasn’t too long. We had our chaperones from the school. We had teachers from the school that attended, and then we were 25 kids from Duncan, Oklahoma, but we went with 25 other schools. So we were a large group and a caravan of buses and it was safe. You know, there it was. We weren’t worried. College. Yeah. TCU see Orion rtbf major film studies. I always joke. What are you gonna do with that?



Study film? Yeah, I’m gonna watch






you could do what you’re doing now successfully, or what we’re doing here and maybe just kind of barely get by.



I think for us, you know, production classes are super beneficial on the age of social media that you can’t if you have any sort of background in that you know how to tell a story visually. It did help me in my businesses. So yeah, I did TCU all I loved and I’ve always said I would, if I could go back and do it all over again wouldn’t change a thing.



What’s the next step for Tanglewood moms?



Um, that’s a good question too, because I keep having these. I will try anything and I have to stop myself. Sometimes I’ve had a goal to launch in another city. Makes a lot of sense to launch in Dallas because we have clients that have locations in both cities, but I haven’t done it yet. I’m just in a fort worth is just booming and bursting at the seams. There’s so much business here. It doesn’t make sense. I feel like I need to be a better advocate for my sponsors. They And tried to, you know, start from scratch and do it somewhere else.



What’s the negative to it is is there a negative for you? Like, do you look on it and you go, man, it all of it is so good. But



yeah, the business is fantastic. I will say we did see a little dip with COVID. But I’ve never been. And I gosh, that sounds like I’m really tooting my own horn. Like more successful like, this is a really, like worked hard at this and it’s paid off. So I’m really proud of that. The downside is Yeah, social media can be a complete just you can Terry down, it’s hard. I listened to the armchair expert podcast. I don’t know if you guys have listened to that or know about it. But they had a gentleman named Yuval Harare, and he’s a historian and also philosopher. And he’s talking about how what’s going on now is that the humans are hackable. You can go down the rabbit holes of social media, and what you perceive to be actual media telling you something about that, you know what’s happening, and you start believing it and you start forming new values and opinions. And it’s a lot of where this division is happening. And so I just went off that hamster wheel, I don’t want to be an active participant AI is not perfect, and they make mistakes. These tech companies make mistakes. And it’s like, oh, how do I want my kids to be a slave to this? I feel like a slave to it. A lot of times, even being a complete Facebook advocate. I still serve on a leadership group for the company. And and I love it. I love that they enable small business to launch without any investment. Yeah, what’s jewelry net was launched with $1,000 and tanglin. Moms was 100 I bought it word plus template and I built the website myself like it’s incredible. You don’t have to have a lot of money to be in business and in and do well. So yeah, that’s that’s the that’s the drawback is right now you just kind of feel a little bit of a slave to that. Sure.



So we haven’t touched much on made worthy magazine, but many of our our listeners, especially our 234. Moms, definitely. But we get that we get the maid worthy in the mail. How did this happen? What’s that been like?



So when I launched the website, single moms and I mentioned I had one local sponsor. He’s a real estate agent. And I was working for him managing all of his marketing, not just his social media. And I learned the magazine business as an advertiser, I saw rates, I saw distribution, I saw how they worked. And I thought, I’m doing this exact same thing digitally. I see what you’re making by doing print. Now. Granted, there’s a much higher cost in developing a magazine, but I thought I can do this. I can launch a magazine, I’ve got my base of clients. And so I went to actually, Pavlov was my first one with a blank sheet of paper that looked like what the magazine looks like just blank pages and pitch on an iPad and said, This is what I want to do. And he was like I’m in. So that was my that was my first meeting. That was my first Yes. And I just went from client to client saying this is my vision, this is this is what I want to do. And what I found was there was a there was a need in the market in publishing for people writing stories that people like me are interested in moms, you know, young to middle age. And just to know more Fort Worth and maybe just one or nine or 107 you know, just learn about Fort Worth and these great people in it. So that is how it worked. And I had I went to my editor I went to my husband I want to start a magazine they both thought I was nuts for wanting to do it. And because print is dead, you know, I was leading social media for people. I was the one also saying this, but I saw how it could work. And so far we’re in our fourth year of publishing and doing well.



Well. Do you want to tell her about your idea for a publication called Tanglewood dads yes



I talked about that often it’s all photo



would be Yeah, it would be a winner people of people men have requested for since the day we launched to be a part of this really and I keep saying we’ll go start a tango a dad Yeah, go do it. So for no one’s done it, but I think it would work.



Yeah. So what’s the what’s the subscriber base for neighbourly?



Um, well there’s like 40,000 readership we print 10,000 copies and it goes 75% of those go to homes and the rest of them go to Central Market and Whole Foods on Brian urban.



Yeah, but steady growth ever since initiation.



Yeah, steady growth with advertisers or we have maintained our same publishing numbers and the magazine I’m sorry, the digital platforms keep growing. I’ve never raise prices in our magazine, but we just got an email from our printer saying, Oh, you know, pretty big increase. So this will so are we



announcing on the show a subscriber, increase, advertise,



advertise advertise free we the same model like 360 west where you know if you meet a certain criteria my criteria is not financial based it’s more geographic and stage of life and if you have kids, that’s who gets it. But yeah, I may have the worst having to raise prices.



How did the pandemic treat you last couple years, you think different your life because Oh,



I got COVID in March of 2020. And I wasn’t a severe case, I never had to be hospitalized, I did have to get on oxygen. And I have been a COVID long hauler for 18 months. And I just got there’s this doctor at a Stanford and I want to say I’m glad you brought it up, cuz I do want to mention this to readers cuz not everybody knows. And I just found out about it. It’s called COVID, long hauls calm and they send it to a doctor out of Stanford, he developed the test to screen for cytokines raised, you know, elevated markers. And so I did the test. I just got it back this week. And I have four super high things that they screen for, and I’m waiting for my appointment and not google it because I don’t want to get scared. I’m gonna have to live dog. Not really, but I just I want it I hopefully there’s some treatment protocol treatment plan for people like us that really helped us because it’s it’s been a real struggle. It’s mainly fatigue, I do have some fatigue, I have a lot of pain. And I developed a mast cell disorder, which is like, really bad allergy. Right, right, your tongue and lip swell and your face and your throat. And so that can cause anaphylaxis. And so it’s kind of a bummer. But yeah, as far as the business COVID did affect us for that made June issue and all the businesses we’re having to close and not open doors. We just did a much smaller publication. It’s still printed. But we saw a dip there. We did get some relief from the worth preserving the fort grant. That was awesome. I saw other influent like I think it was Jonathan Morris was posting about apply for this as like free money. And so we got a little relief there. But yeah, not not terrible this year has been great.



I will tell you, my my regular partner, Britain suffers from some sort of neuroses and irritability. I thought it would be a long haul said part of the long haul syndrome. But yeah, he’s just getting over it today, in fact, so it’s this is a longer term problem. So we’ll go on a different tangent with that when Sunday are First off, we appreciate you being here. Very, very, very much. So proud of your success. You’ve done a lot of good things for a lot of people in this town. Before you go besides your familiar affairs, your kids, your husband, what’s the best day of your whole life?



Like, pretend like, this is my best day of my life? What



is the year best year that I’ve ever had? Yep.



You were just gonna play on your best day, right? Yeah. Can



I get this?



Yeah, no. Actually a good way to take that. But



yeah, so Gosh, I haven’t even that’s a question I’ve never been asked. I have like a answer for what would has been the best day of my life? Yeah, I don’t, I guess just, I will say just being so thankful for the family that I have. So it’s not just a day, but I didn’t plan on having four kids. I didn’t she’s going family.



Brian, she’s breaking the rules. It’s okay. It’s really hard.



Because of like any sort of financial or like, you know, award or anything like that, or even graduating, you know, that’s all hard work. But like that’s, I feel like families God given and it’s super special. And it’s Yeah.



Well, what are you gonna say when you put your feet on the ground after the tour around the world on a boat?



You know, what’s funny about that is you get off the ship, after the first port just was the Bahamas to Venezuela. And the whole world is wave side to side. And then the next port was Brazil. Salvador Dovey. Yeah. And you get out and it’s totally fine. You’re solid. And so it’s getting your sea legs and I had no idea that that was a thing. So do you



think your sea legs are permanent? Now? Like, like once you get them? Do you have them? I’ve often wondered that? I don’t know. But I



used to get carsick all the time as a kid but after that trip, never again.



So maybe there is Yeah,



so well in 2018 I forgot to mention in 2018 you were honored as by the safe haven of Tarrant County with the legacy of what legacy a woman award. Congratulations that’s well deserved. That’s that’s a pretty cool deal. We’ve enjoyed you on the show. Thank you for joining us. Pleasure.



Yeah, it’s been great being here and meeting you and just getting a real deal podcast with all this fancy equipment



didn’t make you at all uncomfortable that this chair continues to worried about me and



don’t don’t make the obvious choice



in that? Exactly. Yeah, he took them for the team. I did.



Well thanks Victoria. Appreciate you